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He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 15, 2003 | Mary Mitchell

Posted on 06/15/2003 10:39:14 AM PDT by Mister Magoo

He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it

June 15, 2003

BY MARY MITCHELL SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Ten years ago, Darren Washington, 33, made a dramatic lifestyle change. He decided to abstain from sex until he got married. It is a choice that makes sense in a world where sex can literally kill you. But the fear of sexually transmitted diseases was not the only thing that motivated Washington to try celibacy. Given the pain sexual relationships can cause, he wanted to be part of the solution--not part of the problem.

On Saturday, June 21, he will be one of the panelists for "What Men Don't Like To Talk About" at Being Single Magazine's 5th Annual Bachelor Breakfast.

Washington, director of external affairs for SBC Indiana, says his celibacy has frustrated some women.

"A lot of women wanted to be sexually active," he said. "And you have so many people fronting. What I found out is that women wanted a man who was going to be faithful to her because a lot of men are juggling different women, having sex with different women, and so women thought it would be OK if I was only having sex with them."

Some women backed away after realizing Washington took abstinence seriously.

"I told one woman I just wanted to be friends and she said she already had enough friends," he said.

Then, there's the hurry-up-and-get-on-with-it sister.

"I dated a very intelligent woman, an attorney, who was OK with celibacy," Washington said. "But after six months, she wanted me to make a commitment. She felt if she knew we were going to marry then she could abstain. I couldn't make that promise."

Washington, a state-certified HIV/AIDS counselor, regularly speaks out about abstinence. He says he does so because it is the best alternative, particularly for African-American couples.

"I think a lot of people--men and women--don't understand the emotional and psychological effects that premarital sex cause besides teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

"When you give your body, you open an area to them that is really sacred. You exchange spirits with that person and that is how you end up with heartaches, pain and jealousy. There are women out here who are cheating just like men. You can't blame one [gender] more than the other. If men stood up and took the initiative and treated women with more respect and respected their bodies, women would want their bodies respected."

Sex shouldn't be part of a dating relationship, Washington said.

"You really truly have to be patient and wait for the right man to come into your life," he said. "There are a lot of men out here who have their pick of the litter. They date a lot of women and they know they are a good catch. They are financially together and a lot of these men are having sex with a lot of different women."

In the abstinence world, a date is a date.

"There are certain things that are off limits if you are not willing to be married," he said. "I can go out with different people to have fun, but I don't expect sex and I don't expect them to take their clothes off."

But for a lot of men, sex is seen as their reward for showing his date a good time.

""I don't expect a woman to have sex with me because I took her out to dinner and spent $100," Washington counters. "That should be normal if I am trying to win her hand and to prove to her I'm the man of her dreams.

On the other side, women who do not have romantic feelings for a man may get involved with him sexually because he is financially solid and drives a nice car, Washington pointed out.

"We have to stop using each other," he said. "One way to do that is to abstain."

Of course, the real question is whether Washington is really one of those brothers on the down-low. He chuckled when I asked, but admitted it wasn't the first time he's been asked about his sexuality.

"People live an alternative lifestyle for sexual liberation, not sexual resignation," he said. "Right now, a lot of people are looking for a cure to AIDS. My issue is, yes, we need drugs that will stop the spread of AIDS, but what about the people who don't have it. They need to abstain. If you can't put a ring on a woman's finger or you don't want to marry the brother, you shouldn't be out there."

As noted in a recent Sun-Times special report on marriage, African Americans marry at a significantly lower rate than other racial groups in the United States. By age 30, 81 percent of white women and 77 percent of Asians and Hispanics will marry, but only 52 percent of black women will do so, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

After talking to Washington, I recalled something my father used to say when his daughters started dating: "Why buy the cow when the milk is free?" Of course, we didn't listen. As things have turned out, fathers knew best after all.

For additional information about next Saturday's panel discussion, please call (312) 567-9900.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abstinence; aids; celibate; chastity; dating; libertines; loosemorals; morality; singles; std
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To: Archangelsk
But if you are still celibate at 33, there is something wrong.

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So, something was WRONG with the LORD Jesus Christ (who remained celebate until he was -- yep: 33)?
21 posted on 06/15/2003 11:15:56 AM PDT by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I think it borders on abuse of ones sexual organ. lol

Maybe that's how he stays celibate!

22 posted on 06/15/2003 11:18:25 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: BenR2
So, something was WRONG with the LORD Jesus Christ (who remained celebate until he was -- yep: 33)?

Whoever he was, he removed his genes from the future gene pool.

There's a reason why even "good girls" do it -- because the ones that don't, don't pass on their genes.

23 posted on 06/15/2003 11:18:58 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Dr. Frank
I don't think I would tolerate it. I appreciate his commitment to remaining celibate until marriage, however if I had spent six months with this gentleman and there was no ring I'd hit the road. I'm just putting myself in these womens shoes.


24 posted on 06/15/2003 11:22:31 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: It's me
Why put yourself at risk for STDs and AIDS?

That's silly. There is a difference in risk between sleeping with every crackwhore to come down the pyke, and sleeping with a steady girlfriend who you know well.

If you say you never really know them well enough, well that's true even if you marry them -- he could still get AIDS or STD's from his first sex after marriage.

There is no "risk free" option. There are only matters of degree. He's chosen a silly level.

25 posted on 06/15/2003 11:22:32 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: sauropod
So you tell me---is he really committed to celibacy, or is he actually asexual and he just wants someone to cook for him? :D
26 posted on 06/15/2003 11:23:08 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Archangelsk
This article shows how much our society's changed just since the 'sexual revolution' began in the '60's, and I admire this young for standing by his convictions.

Today's young people are growing up in a society where EVERYTHING is about sex ... constantly.

Back in the late '80's I became friends with a young man who made the same decision to remain celibate until he married, because that's how he read The Bible.

I am 20 yrs older and a product of the '60's, so at the time I considered him somewhat querky in that regard, but deep down I respected him for the stance. I had this certain feeling God would Bless him for his decision, and I was right.

Today he and his wife are very much in love and have 2 beautiful children. It is such an inspiration and a joy to see how God has richly Blessed their marriage.

I attribute much of that to a young man who had the spiritual insight and strength of character to hold to his convictions, while at the same time, living in a society saturated 24/7 with sexual stimulus.

27 posted on 06/15/2003 11:24:37 AM PDT by CIBvet (It's about preserving OUR Borders, OUR Language and OUR American Culture)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I'm just putting myself in these womens shoes.

Thank you.

No passes made, no words of love, no promises for the future, and I'd start to wonder if maybe I'd found that rare man that doesn't want it AT ALL, even after marriage.

28 posted on 06/15/2003 11:26:55 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Mister Magoo
I'm with the women on this one. I think it's rather snotty of Washington to make the a priori assumption that sex before marriage is "using" the other partner. What sort of attitude is that to carry into a serious relationship?

Assuming that your motivation is to find the right wife forever, making sure you are sexually compatible is as important as making sure you agree on children and handling money. Just last week, we celebrated our 25th anniversary. I credit the longevity of our marriage to our spending four years trying out every aspect of marriage before making the commitment - and to both of us trying out a lot of other partners first.

29 posted on 06/15/2003 11:26:59 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Mister Magoo
NO, it's not. It's what differentiates mammals from men. I know, 'cause my husband waited for me. (He was 35 at the time...)
30 posted on 06/15/2003 11:29:35 AM PDT by Maigrey (Member of the Dose's Jesus Freaks and Gonzo News Service)
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I've run across a couple of "celibate" guys in my life, not priests but very religious. They both were very tense people. Very tightly wound, edgy and defensive, not at all easy to be around.

Not to mention cranky. Very cranky. Extremely cranky.

31 posted on 06/15/2003 11:30:44 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: jlogajan
>>That's silly. There is a difference in risk between sleeping with every crackwhore to come down the pyke, and sleeping with a steady girlfriend who you know well.<<

Not morally, there isn't. She's just an unpaid prostitute.

32 posted on 06/15/2003 11:32:26 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: hellinahandcart
Yeah, this is a tough one. I won't criticize him for his decision to remain celibate, and there are good reasons for it. However, I do feel a little sympathy for the woman. She dates a man for six months and he doesn't want to give her hope for marriage, and won't get nekkid either. I don't know how long she should wait for either choice. I don't know either, if six months is long enough to wait for a marriage proposal. Given their ages and experience in life, it seems time enough though, and I don't blame her for bailing. I'm not sure after reading the article if he doesn't want sex or is just turned off for life for marriage.
33 posted on 06/15/2003 11:32:51 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: CIBvet
I know one other couple that waited until marriage... they were both in their early twenties, when they married. But, now they have been married for twenty years, and have three children. They credit their faith, a cornerstone of their thriving marriage and family.
34 posted on 06/15/2003 11:33:00 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: CIBvet
I must add: " ...living in a society that is increasingly and progressively saturated, 24/7, with sexual stimulus."
35 posted on 06/15/2003 11:36:09 AM PDT by CIBvet (It's about preserving OUR Borders, OUR Language and OUR American Culture)
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To: hellinahandcart
No passes made, no words of love, no promises for the future, and I'd start to wonder if maybe I'd found that rare man that doesn't want it AT ALL, even after marriage.

Yep. He also seems to be witholding his emotional involvement with these women. He is, in fact, using them, unless he tells them up front he just needs a buddy to go the ball game with. People date, ordinarily, to find mates.

If he's lonely, he should get a dog.

36 posted on 06/15/2003 11:38:34 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Mister Magoo
"I dated a very intelligent woman, an attorney, who was OK with celibacy," Washington said. "But after six months, she wanted me to make a commitment. She felt if she knew we were going to marry then she could abstain. I couldn't make that promise."

Then what was he playing at? He used to manipulate women with sex, now he does it with "virtue".

37 posted on 06/15/2003 11:40:18 AM PDT by avenir
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of that lifestyle.

But that only accounts for those you knew were celibate. With most of my acquaintances, the topic never comes up.

38 posted on 06/15/2003 11:40:22 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Enterprise
That's my point. Look at what he said about dating:

"I don't expect a woman to have sex with me because I took her out to dinner and spent $100," Washington counters. "That should be normal if I am trying to win her hand and to prove to her I'm the man of her dreams.

So what was he "trying to prove" by dating that woman for six months and then saying he couldn't commit?

If he was trying to prove he could control every aspect of the relationship, he succeeded. But it doesn't look like *she* got much out of it, other than dinners.

And can you imagine to damage to her self-image?--"Even a man who's gone without sex for a decade doesn't want me!"

I repeat, he's not very kind.

39 posted on 06/15/2003 11:40:28 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Mister Magoo
I believe I will stay the heck out of this one, and just sit back and read replies. With my track record, for me to weigh in on what constitutes a successful marriage would be a bit like expecting Lizzie Borden to write her doctoral thesis on the Fourth Commandment.
40 posted on 06/15/2003 11:41:27 AM PDT by strela ("Have Word Processor, Will Travel" reads the card of a man ...)
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