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Americans owe Confederate history respect
Columbia Tribune ^
| June 10, 2003
| Chris Edwards
Posted on 06/13/2003 6:22:01 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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good read
To: stainlessbanner
Thanks for the post, SB. Good article!
To: stainlessbanner
Most important, we should remember that when they surrendered, they gave up the fight completely. Defeated Confederate soldiers did not resort to guerrilla warfare or form renegade bands that refused to surrender. These men simply laid down their arms, went home and lived peacefully under the U.S. flag. When these ex-Confederates died, they died Americans. And that says it all. They may have disagreed, but they were men of honor. They surrendered, they gave their word not to bring up arms again, against the US; and they kept their word.
Now don't forget .... all cultures are equal < /sarcasm>
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posted on
06/13/2003 6:27:56 AM PDT
by
Hodar
(With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
To: stainlessbanner
the Confederate flag offensive because they feel it represents slavery and oppression They FEEL, well then, let's not let FACTS get in the way. I'm OFFENDED that they pay no mind to all the people that died to FREE THEM!
This is America...you have the RIGHT to pursue happiness.....
You do NOT have the right NOT TO BE OFFENDED
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posted on
06/13/2003 6:28:55 AM PDT
by
Puppage
(You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
To: stainlessbanner
Very good read, Stainless.
Do you have your asbestos suit on?
I'm certain we of the South will be 'fired upon' again today! :)
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posted on
06/13/2003 6:30:18 AM PDT
by
Budge
(God Bless FReepers!)
To: stainlessbanner
However, history has little to say about the South's same effort in 1865. The Confederacy, its own troop strength depleted, offered slaves freedom if they volunteered for the army. No they didn't.
To: Hodar
Interesting point. I suppose if the rebs had taken to "suicide bombing" against the Republican Lincoln's "New World Order," then the libs today would be celebrating the South like they do the poor old Palistinians.
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posted on
06/13/2003 6:30:49 AM PDT
by
sam_paine
To: sam_paine
The difference is.
1. The Constitution did not recognize slavery, except by omission. The Southern States, and Connecticut did recognize human servitude, but that was not put in place by the Federal Government.
2. Lincoln and the Republican position was that human servitude was a moral ill, but its practice within the states was not within the control of the Federal government. The Republican position was to ban slavery from the territories, as had been done with the Northwest Ordinance.
3. While Lincoln was required by oath to preserve the Union, the south was not required by oath to break it. The southern rebels began the war to preserve and extend the practice of slavery. Lincoln's emancipation proclamation only applied to slaves in areas in active rebellion, as a measure to reduce the ability of the rebels to struggle against the elected, legitimate government.
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posted on
06/13/2003 6:57:16 AM PDT
by
donmeaker
(Safety is NO Accident!)
To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; fish hawk; bentfeather; grantswank; My back yard
We look at history,
But not at ourselves.
We see what we want
Ourselves should be.
The lie begins:
"If I were living
Way back then --- ."
And so we continue
To look, but not to see.
To: stainlessbanner
The Confederacy, its own troop strength depleted, offered slaves freedom if they volunteered for the army. We know that between 75,000 and 100,000 blacks responded to this call,But we KNOW from the liberal history books that the ENTIRE war was about slavery. (/disgusted sarcasm)
Pretend for a minute that it was the year 2103 and the War of Northern Conquest had been fought in 1991-95 instead of 1861-65 for the same reasons (state and individual rights vs. preserving the union) and with the same outcome. The liberal history books would undoubtedly claim that the war was fought because bigoted Christian Southerners wanted to jail homosexuals, turn women into slave baby factories, and form a theocracy on the nation and only through the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of northern heroes was the socialistic paradise unmatched since the fall of the Soviet Union that everyone currently lived in possible. Praise Karl Marx! (/sarcasm)
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posted on
06/13/2003 6:59:51 AM PDT
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: Non-Sequitur
Oooooo! Snappy come back.
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posted on
06/13/2003 7:01:24 AM PDT
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: stainlessbanner
I agree that the slavery association tied to the confederate flag is a red herring used for race baiting. However, that said...the confederate flag is unwanted and a disgrace simply because it represents a bunch of losers. People don't go waving the nazi flag around in Germany or the Baath Iraqi flag in Iraq any more. Many more examples can be found in flag trashcan of history. But if you want to wave around a loser flag and somehow feel proud of it, go ahead.
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posted on
06/13/2003 7:06:19 AM PDT
by
CJ Wolf
(Your venerable ancestors lost, Get over it, take down that rebel flag.)
To: stainlessbanner
SITREP
To: stainlessbanner
The issue in my mind has alot less to do with what the war was about, because no war is ever as balck and white (excuse the pun) as advertised.
For me the issue comes down to the motives of those who want to fly the flag today.
Some truly are very proud of their southern heritage, and this is one of the few symbols that they can use to represent that pride.
Some see the good things that were part of the south prior to the war, and realize that this was a time that simply can never exist again (and I do not mean slavery). There is a desire to focus on the gentile society that defines the south for many. The flag represents the last gasp of this era.
Some simply like the flag because they are told it is offensive, and don't like being told what to think. While not my favorite reason, I also don't much care for forced compliance with the prevailing opinion, even if it's an opinion I share.
The problem is that the fourth group has co-opted the flag, perverting it. This group has an irrational hatred of anyone different from them. They love the flag for what conventional wisdom says it stood for: opression. They are not proud of southern heritage. In fact, they don't even understand southern heritage. They are not the sons of the south. They are more like the opportunistic carpet baggers who pillaged the south for their own gain. They believe they have a right to exert control over others simply because they are different.
Unfortunately, of the four groups, the one that seeks and receives the most attention is the fourth, and, frankly, with good reason. They are the group that represents a potential danger to our way of life. They do not support the constitution, despite their claims to the contrary. They typically do not want state's rights. They want a strong government that they control. They use the flag specifically to enrage those who oppose them.
We are forced to accept that overcoming this group will be difficult. To achieve it requires those who support the flag for other reasons to strongly and forcefully denounce those who use it for their own evil purposes. Often we are so busy defending our stance we forget that freedom of speech includes the right to criticise those we oppose.
This is a fight that can not be won on the defensive, which is how those in the first three groups choose to fight in general. It is a two front war. The idea that the enemy of my enemy is my friend does not apply if the enemy exists primarily due to your link to the "friend". I hear lots of people defending their reasons for supporting the flag, but few who use significant energy to condemn the true enemies of the flag for their perversion of it's meaning.
Unless the last group can be defeated, this is not a winnable war. The options become to either give up, or to find another symbol, and let the racists keep this one, eventually leading to it's demise. I am not from the south, so I have no personal connection to the falg, it's history or southern heritage. I do, however, respect those with honorable motives for loving the flag. Unfortunately, their fight is being defined not by their beliefs but by those whom they ought oppose.
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posted on
06/13/2003 7:17:49 AM PDT
by
sharktrager
(There are 2 kids of people in this world: people with loaded guns and people who dig.)
To: CJ Wolf
The confederate flag represents American Southern history to me, and I'm a Hoosier. When we visit Dixie, we love the feeling we get from seeing that brave flag wave. We visited Murfreesboro battle ground in March of this year. We noticed immediately the lack of her confederate flag. PC stinks!
To: stainlessbanner
Thanks for the post. I don't know when American's began being tought that the Confederacy was something to be ashamed of but it's time it stopped. I was taught respect for the sacrifice Southerners made for what they believed in. The end of slavery was never taught as the direct cause of the Civil War but as positive result brought about by compromise to preserve the union under the countries most difficult time. Now the left is rewriting history and its shamefull.
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posted on
06/13/2003 7:27:24 AM PDT
by
POhara71
To: stainlessbanner
Robert E. Lee, "Stonewall" Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, James Longstreet, Johnston, etc. were TRAITORS because they had
all taken an oath (made a vow) to defend and protect the
Constitution of the United States. Their choices to rebel led to a bloodbath that resulted in the deaths of over a half a million Americans. Nothing honorable about that.
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posted on
06/13/2003 7:49:56 AM PDT
by
Renatus
To: stainlessbanner
Yes it is! Thanks,,,
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posted on
06/13/2003 7:52:13 AM PDT
by
SCDogPapa
(In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
To: stainlessbanner
Yes it is! Thanks,,,
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posted on
06/13/2003 7:52:15 AM PDT
by
SCDogPapa
(In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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