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To: stainlessbanner
Robert E. Lee, "Stonewall" Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, James Longstreet, Johnston, etc. were TRAITORS because they had
all taken an oath (made a vow) to defend and protect the
Constitution of the United States. Their choices to rebel led to a bloodbath that resulted in the deaths of over a half a million Americans. Nothing honorable about that.
18 posted on 06/13/2003 7:49:56 AM PDT by Renatus
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To: Renatus
Robert E. Lee, "Stonewall" Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, James Longstreet, Johnston, etc. were TRAITORS because they had all taken an oath (made a vow) to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States.

If resigning a military commission with a declared intent to return to defend, if necessary, their home states is "treason", then why did the U.S. Army and U.S. Navy not arrest and try for treason all the Southern officers that submitted the resignation of their U.S. Army and U.S. Navy commissions in 1860 and 1861?

It seems that neo-Fire-Eaters believe that they know more about the military code of honor and conduct in 1860 than the U.S. War Department itself did in 1860.

23 posted on 06/13/2003 8:03:59 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Renatus
Robert E. Lee, "Stonewall" Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, James Longstreet, Johnston, etc. were TRAITORS because they had all taken an oath (made a vow) to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States.

Did you ever stop to think that that was exactly what they were doing?

Or are you blindly accepting the revisionist "history?"

24 posted on 06/13/2003 8:12:10 AM PDT by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: Renatus
"Robert E. Lee, 'Stonewall' Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, James Longstreet, Johnston, etc. were TRAITORS because they had all taken an oath (made a vow) to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States."

Actually, it is only your opinion these men were traitors. In the legalistic term, they were never tried nor convicted of anything resembling treason.

If I were either of these men, I'd have anyone associating the unsubstantiated accusation of treason with my name sued for sander and/or malice.

If you defame a private individual, that person would have to be able to prove: 1) that you made a statement, reported as fact, to another person; 2) that the statement was false; 3) that the statement caused damage to that person; and 4) that you were negligent in making that statement. If you defame a public figure (such as a celebrity or member of government, for example), that person will have to prove: 1) that you made a statement to another person, reported as fact; 2) that the statement was false and caused damage; and 3) that you made the statement with actual malice-that is, with knowledge that the statement was false or with reckless disregard as to whether the statement was false or not.

Only a court of law may find a person guilty of treason, and therefore, a traitor.

30 posted on 06/13/2003 8:36:54 AM PDT by azhenfud
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To: Renatus
Robert E. Lee, "Stonewall" Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, James Longstreet, Johnston, etc. were TRAITORS because they had all taken an oath (made a vow) to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States. Their choices to rebel led to a bloodbath that resulted in the deaths of over a half a million Americans. Nothing honorable about that.

Exactly right.

Walt

83 posted on 06/15/2003 5:30:14 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: Renatus
Absolutely right. If U.S. soldiers today did what Lee and Jackson and Stuart and Johnston did, how many neo-Confederates would condone their treason?

97 posted on 06/15/2003 6:08:51 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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THese Honorable people were defending the Constitution-Lincoln's Legion of Lackeys were trampling all over it.
127 posted on 06/15/2003 10:41:37 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Renatus
"Robert E. Lee, "Stonewall" Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, James Longstreet, Johnston, etc. were TRAITORS because they had
all taken an oath (made a vow) to defend and protect the
Constitution of the United States. Their choices to rebel led to a bloodbath that resulted in the deaths of over a half a million Americans. Nothing honorable about that."

I see. So, according to your logic, if the federal government trashed the Constitution (as it did, on numerous occasions, both then and now), your position is that those gentlemen you mentioned should not have fought against that government. Did it ever occur to you that those gentlemen were true to their oaths? That they DID defend the Constitution, as they saw it? If a government ceases to uphold the Constitution, it is no longer the valid government of the Republic, and all true patriots have a duty to fight that government. Those gentlemen saw that as their duty, as well.
275 posted on 06/16/2003 10:21:40 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Renatus
Robert E. Lee, "Stonewall" Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, James Longstreet, Johnston, etc. were TRAITORS because they had all taken an oath (made a vow) to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States. Their choices to rebel led to a bloodbath that resulted in the deaths of over a half a million Americans. Nothing honorable about that.

George Washington was a colonial officer who had taken an oath to defend King and Country. The War of Independence was a rebellion that resulted in a successful secession. British Governor Lord Dunsmore granted emancipation to all slaves who remained loyal to Great Britain, in October 1775. Slave-owner Washington and his fellow Founding Fathers were traitors to England. The War resulted in a lot of bloodshed. I guess you won't find any honor there either, yankee.

440 posted on 06/17/2003 7:09:58 PM PDT by Pelham
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