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Oldest Human Skulls Found
BBC ^ | 6-11-2003 | Jonathan Amos

Posted on 06/11/2003 8:03:26 AM PDT by blam

Oldest human skulls found

By Jonathan Amos
BBC News Online science staff

Three fossilised skulls unearthed in Ethiopia are said by scientists to be among the most important discoveries ever made in the search for the origin of humans.

Herto skull: Dated at between 160,000 and 154,000 years old (Image copyright: David L. Brill)

The crania of two adults and a child, all dated to be around 160,000 years old, were pulled out of sediments near a village called Herto in the Afar region in the east of the country.

They are described as the oldest known fossils of modern humans, or Homo sapiens.

What excites scientists so much is that the specimens fit neatly with the genetic studies that have suggested this time and part of Africa for the emergence of mankind.

"All the genetics have pointed to a geologically recent origin for humans in Africa - and now we have the fossils," said Professor Tim White, one of the co-leaders on the research team that found the skulls.

"These specimens are critical because they bridge the gap between the earlier more archaic forms in Africa and the fully modern humans that we see 100,000 years ago," the University of California at Berkeley, US, paleoanthropologist told BBC News Online.

Out of Africa

The skulls are not an exact match to those of people living today; they are slightly larger, longer and have more pronounced brow ridges.

These minor but important differences have prompted the US/Ethiopian research team to assign the skulls to a new subspecies of humans called Homo sapiens idaltu (idaltu means "elder" in the local Afar language).

Herto reconstruction: What the ancient people might have looked like (Image copyright: J. Matternes)

The Herto discoveries were hailed on Wednesday by those researchers who have championed the idea that all humans living today come from a population that emerged from Africa within the last 200,000 years.

The proponents of the so-called Out of Africa hypothesis think this late migration of humans supplanted all other human-like species alive around the world at the time - such as the Neanderthals in Europe.

If modern features already existed in Africa 160,000 years ago, they argued, we could not have descended from species like Neanderthals.

"These skulls are fantastic evidence in support of the Out of Africa idea," Professor Chris Stringer, from London's Natural History Museum, told BBC News Online.

"These people were living in the right place and at the right time to be possibly the ancestors of all of us."

Sophisticated behaviour

The skulls were found in fragments, at a fossil-rich site first identified in 1997, in a dry and dusty valley.

Stone tools and the fossil skull of a butchered hippo were the first artefacts to be picked up. Buffalo fossils were later recovered indicating the ancient humans had a meat-rich diet.

The most complete of the adult skulls was seen protruding from the ancient sediment; it had been exposed by heavy rains and partially trampled by herds of cows.

SEARCH FOR HUMAN ORIGINS

The Herto skulls represent a confirmation of the genetic studies

The skull of the child - probably aged six or seven - had been shattered into more than 200 pieces and had to be painstakingly reconstructed.

All the skulls had cut marks indicating they had been de-fleshed in some kind of mortuary practice. The polishing on the skulls, however, suggests this was not simple cannibalism but more probably some kind of ritualistic behaviour.

This type of practice has been recorded in more modern societies, including some in New Guinea, in which the skulls of ancestors are preserved and worshipped.

The Herto skulls may therefore mark the earliest known example of conceptual thinking - the sophisticated behaviour that stands us apart from all other animals.

"This is very possibly the case," Professor White said.

The Ethiopian discoveries are reported in the journal Nature.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: adamandeve; bloodbath; creationism; crevolist; darwin; darwinism; ethiopia; evolution; found; godsgravesglyphs; herto; homosapiensidaltu; human; missinglink; oldest; skulls
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To: VadeRetro
This charge is sometimes applied to Lucy

I'm honestly surprised that it's not tossed out here on FR every now and then. Sure, the claim has been thorougly discredited, but that hasn't stopped some people from presenting similarly discredited claims.
141 posted on 06/11/2003 1:55:07 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: Norse
There are plenty of neanderthal fossils and there's no reason to think of them as sub-human. There is evidence that they had a somewhat advanced culture and society. there is also evidence that some of them had medical conditions that affected there bone structure, giving them a more primitive look. However, if a healthy Neanderthal man in modern clothes walked down a city street today, you probably wouldn't notice him as being ununsual.

Typically evolutionists make the most ambitious claims based on fossils that are fragmentary, i.e., the less they have to start with the more they can invent. For instance, about twenty years ago they found a fossil they called Sivapithecus and said it was a human ancestor. Creationists who looks at the fossil said it was probably an ape but it was too incomplete to be sure. Later a more complete fossil of a sivapithecus was found, and evolutionists had to admit it was just an orangutan.

In this article you can see they found three fairly complete skulls and they admit that they are humans. If the skulls were in little tiny pieces they could glue together however they wanted, who knows what claims they would make. If it was Johanson or the Leaky's, instead of Tim White, I suspect the claims would really be spectacular.

143 posted on 06/11/2003 1:57:35 PM PDT by far sider
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To: Dimensio
Nothing ever disappears from FR. Things just go in and out of fashion.
144 posted on 06/11/2003 1:57:59 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Dimensio
Behave yourself, now. I don't want to see any more of your posts deleted!

;)

145 posted on 06/11/2003 1:59:18 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Well, post 142 might be deleted, as I reported it as a double-post. As for 141, note that I didn't mention any specific names :)
146 posted on 06/11/2003 2:03:47 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: blam
The Working Years

The Golden Years


147 posted on 06/11/2003 2:11:58 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: exmarine
I haven't seen the fossils, so they tell me nothing...

You doubt the findings, the evidence. Another case of throwing out the facts when the theory is unpalatable.

148 posted on 06/11/2003 2:12:12 PM PDT by Nebullis
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To: VadeRetro
Thanks for saving me the trouble of looking up Java and Peking. And thanks for confirming that am right. As a so-called creation cultist, I have no problem with Homo erectus. They are clearly human as the name implies. Their cranial capacities are with the human range, etc. (I do have a problem with H. habilis, though.)

I was responding to your claim that creationists can't make up their minds as to whether Java and Peking Man were human or ape. I think you're being disingenuous, if you really mean to say that serious creationists (rather than some amateur who doesn't really know the subject) can't decide if a whole class of hominids is human or not.

149 posted on 06/11/2003 2:12:16 PM PDT by far sider
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To: far sider
I think you're being disingenuous, if you really mean to say that serious creationists (rather than some amateur who doesn't really know the subject) can't decide if a whole class of hominids is human or not.

What do you imagine that I'm making up? Here again is the web page:

A Comparison of Creationist Opinions.

Note the chart. The leading lights of creationism are all over the map in deciding what to call "An APE! Just an APE!" versus "A MAN! Just a MAN!"

150 posted on 06/11/2003 2:18:22 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Nebullis
You doubt the findings, the evidence. Another case of throwing out the facts when the theory is unpalatable.

What passes for facts in the evolutionary world in most cases are nothing more than inferences. There is no proof in this article to support the "theory" as you call it. If you want to consider it a fact, go ahead, but the data are insufficient to support that position.

151 posted on 06/11/2003 2:19:13 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: VadeRetro
HOPEFUL MONSTER THEORY

A concept first introduced out of necessity by the geneticist, Richard Goldschmidt, which states that evolution occurs by sudden and large changes in the offspring of a species resulting in radically different but well adapted organisms, i.e. "hopeful monsters." After being widely discredited for many years this idea is being reintroduced, out of necessity, as a serious theory. The great leaps forward implicit in this theory entirely account for the absence of the "missing links." (See Punctuated Equilibrium)

152 posted on 06/11/2003 2:19:18 PM PDT by f.Christian (( apocalypsis, from Gr. apokalypsis, from apokalyptein to uncover, from apo- + kalyptein to cover))
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To: far sider
What it really means when you can't tell what bin to lump things in as you go back in time:

Taxonomy, Transitional Forms, and the Fossil Record.

It happens with all kinds of things, going back in time, that are a cinch to tell apart now. The bins are arbitrary, but taxonomic trees are the reflection of a real historical tree of common descent.

153 posted on 06/11/2003 2:24:23 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: far sider
You need to go back and read again. I think and read quite well far side. You are the one who cannot read what is written.

Start at the Beginning, in Genesis and follow what is said and you will see that after the 7th day of rest that there was no man to till the ground. So if after describing a creation in Genesis 1, it being good, taking a day off, then saying he had not a man to till the ground tells the reader that the Adam was created on the 8th day.

Furthermore where did the wives for Cain and Seth come from. You really think that their parents were Adam and Eve.

I keep hearing a 6,000 year old earth and 6,000 year old time for creation of man I want to know where it is written.

Now this might get a little deep for you, but you need to stop listening to "evolutionist", and use some common sense. Now if all came from mother "EVE" how many men did God create for her to produced so many races. It is written God created and it was good kind after kind. Only simple silly flesh man tries to make our Heavenly Father's Words fit what simple silly flesh man wants it to say.

Now answer this why does our Heavenly Father say in Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart. So where was man before he was on the earth?
154 posted on 06/11/2003 2:24:51 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: exmarine
What passes for facts in the evolutionary world in most cases are nothing more than inferences.

A skull in hand is not an inference. You have to start somewhere. Given such a skull, what is your explanation for it? And inference doesn't make things wrong. It makes sense, for instance, that the back side of the moon is a continuation of the sphere you see from earth.

155 posted on 06/11/2003 2:29:08 PM PDT by Nebullis
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
They got 'em at WalMart?

They might, along with a beetle-browed skull cap or "primitive" teeth.


156 posted on 06/11/2003 2:31:01 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: f.Christian
Punctuated Equilibrium is not Goldschmidt's "hopeful monster" theory. You have been corrected on this more often than people have posted you the okapi.
157 posted on 06/11/2003 2:31:01 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: John Beresford Tipton
Happy birthday. Where's my check?
158 posted on 06/11/2003 2:31:45 PM PDT by metesky (Argumentum ad ignorantiam)
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To: VadeRetro
What does the okapi and monkeys prove ?



FR-ph calls ... the 'hopeful monster' --- "fortuitous mutations" !
159 posted on 06/11/2003 2:38:49 PM PDT by f.Christian (( apocalypsis, from Gr. apokalypsis, from apokalyptein to uncover, from apo- + kalyptein to cover))
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To: blam
Would these be the same scientists that say we are going into a global warming or from the scientist that say we are entering another Ice age????
160 posted on 06/11/2003 2:46:23 PM PDT by fish hawk
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