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Democrat activists to Clintons: 'Shut up'
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Posted on 06/08/2003 4:36:47 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Democrat activists to Clintons: 'Shut up' By Dick Polman Inquirer Staff Writer

Bill and Hillary: Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.

Such is the Democratic lament, as the first couple emeritus bestrides the stage once again, soaking up precious attention that otherwise might go to the party's presidential candidates.

The candidates want to talk about 2004 and beyond. But those ubiquitous Clintons are poised to return us to 1998, the year of soaring tech stocks and sordid scandal, the year of Seinfeld's demise and Viagra's debut, the year when an intern's soiled dress sent conservative sleuths into overdrive.

Yes, it's a fresh chapter in the serial saga of He and She:

She is releasing a memoir, tomorrow, that resurrects seamy tales and disses her man. (Excerpt: "I wanted to wring Bill's neck.")

He, meanwhile, is pining for his old job, and thinks that presidents shouldn't be capped at eight years. (From a May appearance in Arkansas: "If we didn't have a two-term limit, I would've made you throw me out.")

She is coming to a TV near you, tonight, having already videotaped her deepest feelings for Barbara Walters on ABC. (An excerpt: "The jury was really out about whether the marriage would survive.")

He is hard at work on his own memoir (will it square with hers?), scheduled for release in the autumn of 2004 - which means he will be grabbing valuable air time from the Democrat who will be trying to unseat President Bush.

So maybe it's understandable that a sizable number of Democrats are mighty displeased with the Clintons these days. Many are afraid to be publicly identified, fearing unspecified repercussions from well-placed Clinton loyalists, but others are too furious to care.

Susan Estrich, who ran Michael Dukakis' campaign in 1988 and is now a law professor in California, said: "They [the Clintons] need to shut up. We've got to have the guts to say to them: 'Enough is enough, there are no state dinners anymore, stop sucking up all the oxygen.' We've got to get beyond our past, and move into the future.

"I like them, and I've defended them repeatedly in the past. But they're very divisive, and I don't think Hillary can ever be elected president. And his ego is so enormous, he just can't go gently into the night."

Tom Pazzi, a Democratic strategist who defends Bill Clinton and calls him an "asset," nevertheless lamented that "his book, coming out on the eve of an election - that would be very bad. That would make people pick over the entrails of the past. You don't want to be looking back in an election... . This gets us back to the Clinton psychoanalyses that we did before, that maybe it all springs from a lust for attention."

A veteran national Democratic strategist said: "A lot of us are basically sick of Bill, in particular. We just want him to get lost, but we can't totally speak out, because he's still a good fund-raiser, and a lot of party activists still think of him fondly, especially African Americans.

"But now here's Hillary, dredging up things we'd rather have people forget, all this evidence of Bill's duplicity. We already have enough problems with middle-class voters who think the Democrats as a party lack good morals and values - thanks to the Clintons - and this new stuff just makes it worse."

And let's not forget the current best-seller The Clinton Wars, by Sidney Blumenthal, the Clinton family friend and White House courtier, who has been working the talk-show circuit, refighting the impeachment battle and settling old scores for his patrons. In the words of one prominent Democrat: "Somebody should throw a blanket over him."

But the Clinton loyalists have a simple message for the angry Democrats: Chill out.

"I'm telling everyone to relax," party strategist David Axelrod said. Axelrod's client, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, a presidential candidate, speaks regularly with Bill Clinton. "It's almost amusing to me how out of sorts some people are. Right now, most Americans don't care about the election. They actually have lives to live. But next year, it's the nominee who will have the megaphone."

Axelrod acknowledged that the party's most prominent duo is viewed unfavorably by about half the American electorate (as new polls indicate), but, he said, "we can't deny them the right to speak out and to write books. And if I'm [Bill Clinton's] publisher, I'm thinking that a campaign is the best time to release his book."

Arnie Arnesen, a New Hampshire Democratic activist and ex-gubernatorial candidate, said: "I didn't like Clinton and I wanted him to resign [after the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke]. But at this point, we should be asking people, 'What's worse? A president who lies about sex or a president who takes us to war by lying about weapons of mass destruction?' "

Party operatives remain deeply ambivalent toward the Clintons. On one hand, Democrats are wincing at the latest round of TV jokes (Jay Leno: "Hillary details what it was like meeting Bill, falling in love with him... . Then, on Page Two, the trouble starts"). Privately, some compare the ex-president to the Thing That Wouldn't Leave, the John Belushi character on Saturday Night Live who would ensconce himself on the couch and eat all the food.

Yet even Clinton's most vocal party critics still revere his political skills, and they are glad that Democratic presidential candidates are constantly invoking his record.

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts lauds the 1990s economic boom, and says he worked with Clinton to achieve it. Edwards lifts phrases from Clinton's 1992 stump speech (extolling "People who work hard and play by the rules"), as does Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut ("Opportunity means nothing without responsibility").

That's smart, party strategist Raymond D. Strother said. He's no Clinton fan - in his new book, Falling Up: How a Redneck Helped Invent Political Consulting, Strother trashes his former client - but he says that Democrats would be better off if they complained less about Clinton and tapped his political wisdom more.

"The enemy is us, not Bill or Hillary," Strother said. "We don't have a message. We don't seem to stand for anything, whereas Bill Clinton stood for economic growth and how to get it... . We shouldn't be looking for excuses, like going after [Hillary Clinton's] book. That book is just the proverbial pimple on the elephant."

Estrich said it was fine for the Democratic candidates to invoke Clinton on the stump - but only during the primaries, "when you're just campaigning for the left-wing activists. But the nominee won't be able to talk a lot about Clinton next fall. Because, if you're campaigning for independent, swing voters, Clinton can hurt you."

And Clinton did himself no favors on May 28, Estrich said, when he declared his opposition to the constitutional amendment that caps a president's tenure at two terms. "To a lot of people, that looks unseemly. It looks like he has no life," she said.

Actually, he does have a life: Politician without portfolio - much like President Theodore Roosevelt, another restive political animal, who was only 50 when he left office. TR roamed the globe, overshadowing his successor, William Howard Taft, (even running against him in 1912, as a third-party candidate), and always thirsting to be what he called "the man in the arena."

Clinton rings up the candidates and offers unsolicited advice. He ricochets from corporate speeches to college commencements. But his biggest future gig could be backroom strategist in a Hillary Clinton presidential campaign.

She's eyeing a run in 2008; that's what the candor in her book is all about. Arnesen, in New Hampshire, offered a common interpretation: "By telling the world that he was a bastard, she's turning a page. She's saying that she's an independent player; that if she were to win the presidency, it would not be Bill's third term."

Perhaps. But presidential historian Douglas Brinkley cautioned that "the Clintons already polarize people, and her book will probably feed it - at a time when the party's candidates are struggling for attention. Bill and Hillary have become the king and queen of our tabloid culture - and if they don't want that title, they should lay low.

"But they don't know how to lay low."


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To: Northern Yankee
NEVER FORGET


Remember the Lost and Suffering on September 11, 2001

(The Thread)
http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33


NEVER FORGET
21 posted on 06/08/2003 8:03:38 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.comt)
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To: Sub-Driver
”...Bill Clinton stood for economic growth and how to get it...

Indeed...Bill and Ron Brown allowed to be sold the nation’s security to China and others. The Clintons sold the White House and anything that wasn’t nailed down there or on AFO. In order to cover up those illegal sales they are playing the sordid victims again while things like the FBI files in Hillary’s possession go unanswered...I’d love to know for instance, what those files were, Buzz Patterson speaks of them in his book "Dereliction of Duty", Hillary always had them her - what were they? Have the Clintons ever paid back the money they used for unauthorized travels? How can they furnish two huge houses and staff them; where do they live.

They came from Arkansas with very little in the way of furniture - remember the notes that went out to FOBs and FOHs asking for gifts to help furnish their house - how utterly tacky. But then, they are utterly tasteless people who as far as many of us are concerned, do not represent America or Americans. Industrial strength spot remover is needed to clean them out of politics and the DNC.

22 posted on 06/08/2003 8:08:08 AM PDT by yoe (Hillary has a lot more to answere to than just "pretty questions" from Ms. Waters...)
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To: Sub-Driver; kristinn; Northern Yankee
NEVER FORGET



'TELL TALE Photo Proves HILLARY Rage a LIE'


(The Photo)
http://www.newsmax.com/archive/print.shtml?a=2003/6/5/173040

(The Photo)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/source082698.htm

(The Thread)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/923978/posts?=page=39

(The Thread)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/924913/posts?page=43





.."IS it SAFE?" = HILLARY on Armed Services Committee..

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629


NEVER FORGET
23 posted on 06/08/2003 8:20:59 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.comt)
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To: MurryMom
Tom Pazzi, a Democratic strategist who defends Bill Clinton and calls him an "asset,"

This isn't your parent's Perjury Party anymore - is it?

24 posted on 06/08/2003 8:24:42 AM PDT by Libloather (Proud member of the Vast Right Wing Fatwa...)
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To: Sub-Driver
Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts lauds the 1990s economic boom, and says he worked with Clinton to achieve it.

Oh? Kerry and Bubba founded all the worthless dot.com companies and snookered the the public into buying the shares? Somehow, that may be believable (at least on Bubba's part).

25 posted on 06/08/2003 8:36:38 AM PDT by putupon (this tagline is classified, please enter password)
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To: Thud
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26 posted on 06/08/2003 9:38:28 AM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: Sub-Driver
This has made my day. Thanks!
27 posted on 06/08/2003 10:18:09 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Sub-Driver
He, (Bill) meanwhile, is pining for his old job, and thinks that presidents shouldn't be capped at eight years. (From a May appearance in Arkansas: "If we didn't have a two-term limit, I would've made you throw me out.")

But, wait, I thought all the libs were telling us his comments about revising the 22nd Amm weren't about Bill?? I am soooo confused.[/sarcasm]

28 posted on 06/08/2003 10:24:51 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: Registered; Grampa Dave; Miss Marple; Howlin; Libloather
A veteran national Democratic strategist said: "A lot of us are basically sick of Bill, in particular. We just want him to get lost, but we can't totally speak out, because he's still a good fund-raiser............

Gee, I didn't know McAuliffe disliked Bill that much.(/sarcasm off)

29 posted on 06/08/2003 10:45:45 AM PDT by Liz
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To: reformed_democrat
They're counting on the economy tanking, and staying tanked, and Republicans being hamstrung by the dems in the House and, especially, the Senate.

The Clintons aren't democrats, they're opportunists.

I just love it every time people give Clinton credit for the economy. That booming economy is a direct result of Reaganomics. Our current economy is a direct result of the Clinton's. It takes years for a president to be able to make a difference economically (although technology on a wide scale use -as it is now- is closing the gap somewhat). Bush, might be doing enough, quickly enough to get the economy going by the end of his next term in office, hopefully by his next mid-term.

BTW you are dead-on describing the Clintons as opportunists rather than dems. You hit the nail on the head. Great statement!

30 posted on 06/08/2003 12:33:47 PM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: Sub-Driver
Quote:

"Arnie Arnesen, a New Hampshire Democratic activist and ex-gubernatorial candidate, said: "I didn't like Clinton and I wanted him to resign [after the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke]. But at this point, we should be asking people, 'What's worse? A president who lies about sex or a president who takes us to war by lying about weapons of mass destruction?' "

In Clinton's case, he did both...and worse. He not only bombed Iraq in 1998 based on intelligence information gathered during "his" administration...he did this long after the inspectors were kicked out. He could've acted much earlier but held this "war" card in his pocket so he could deflect attention from his impeachment. This bombing pratically started on the eve of the impeachment vote...and the bombing ended when the Democrats realized they couldn't stop it.

And let's not forget the Kosovo War, were 100,000 mass graves and genocide were used as the excuse for that war. Especially the Racak Massacre, that has since been proved to have been a total exaggeration of what really happened. I never heard a word about investigations (or impeachment) when faulty intelligence led to the accidental bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. Nor did I hear anything when Clinton made an Executive Decision to bomb the Sudan and Afghanistan. Last time I checked, bombing a soverign country was considered an act of war...and even Reno thought so as she had some legal reservations about this operation. Not to mention, that again, intelligence missed the ball, as Osama was nowhere in site and the Al-Shifra pharamaceutical plant was destroyed, mistakingly identified as a WMD plant. We didn't hear a thing about the millions of dollars in reparations the US taxpayer had to dole out because of these mistakes.

I keep hearing the libs using the argument that Clinton's lie was inconsiquential because it was a personal lie...not effecting the lives of others, while Bush's so-called lie is more serious because it led to the deaths of US soldiers. This is a fallacious argument. There is nothing deceitful about the two Parties having disagreements over policy. This is, in fact, the foundation of the two-party system. Just because the Party in power makes a decision the other paty doesn't like, doesn't make it a crime. If it did, we would have President's impeached every other year over "policy" decisions.

If there was lying and deciet, that's another issue...but at this point, there is no evidence that even points to that. As history has shown, both Clinton and the democrats have made the exact same claims that Bush has made in regards to the threat posed by Saddam. In fact, I would argue that Clinton's "personal" lie is more damaging for the simple fact that it wasn't about what was best for the country, but what was best for Clinton. We can debate whether Saddam was a threat or not...and even most Democrats agreed he was; But what is not debateable is what Clinton did and how he selfishly led this country through months of turmoil. Clinton's lie was to protect himself; Bush's so-called lie (which it isn't) was to protect a nation.
31 posted on 06/09/2003 1:17:45 PM PDT by cwb
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To: Sub-Driver
Susan's right. Here's hoping they don't listen to her...

Susan Estrich, who ran Michael Dukakis' campaign in 1988 and is now a law professor in California, said: "They [the Clintons] need to shut up. We've got to have the guts to say to them: 'Enough is enough, there are no state dinners anymore, stop sucking up all the oxygen.' We've got to get beyond our past, and move into the future.

32 posted on 06/09/2003 2:24:32 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

33 posted on 06/09/2003 10:28:40 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Sub-Driver
The dems that want them to shuddup will be happy to see this but... the toons still soak up the dem attention.
34 posted on 06/09/2003 10:35:35 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: MEG33
The Clintons are our biggest fundraisers!

LOL, it's true! ;-D

35 posted on 06/09/2003 10:36:56 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: Sub-Driver
If we didn't have a two-term limit, I would've made you throw me out.")

We tried to throw you out Bill, but you blackmailed our Congress into stupidity.

As for Hillary, most former first ladies write the book after the White House. They are usually the nice memories of state dinners, etc. that one expects. Not Hillary, she is still fighting that boogie man, the Vast right wing demons she invoked everytime she and the crookster got caught. Dear God, make them go away!

36 posted on 06/09/2003 10:37:00 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Sub-Driver
let the xxxlintons keep talking and getting face time... destroy the democrat party from within
37 posted on 06/09/2003 10:37:41 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch
But the toons think that they will force their communisim on the world in 08, and succeed. Their think tanks are hard at work.
38 posted on 06/09/2003 10:39:20 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Balding_Eagle
Xactly
39 posted on 06/09/2003 10:49:01 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: reformed_democrat
If they get in the WH again and Bill takes Kofi's U.N. king tyranny post I will know Hitlery is the anti-christ.
40 posted on 06/09/2003 10:57:04 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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