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TSA wrecks Texas caribou hunters meat
The Anchorage Daily News ^ | May 31st | Craig Medred

Posted on 05/31/2003 9:23:39 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector

Alaska caribou hunter is livid after airport security damages meat U.S. Transportation Security Administration is investigating

By CRAIG MEDRED Anchorage Daily News

(Published: May 31, 2003)

Caribou hunter David Williams arrived home in Houston, Texas, from an Alaska adventure in March to find a nasty surprise from the U.S. Transportation Security Administration.

When Williams cut open the strapping tape holding shut the first of two wet-lock boxes full of carefully handled, carefully packaged caribou roasts, steaks and burger, he found inside a mess and a preprinted form from the TSA informing him his airline baggage had been "inspected.''

The inspection, in this case, involved slicing open 45 packages of caribou double-wrapped in freezer paper and marked "roast,'' "backstrap'' and "caribou hamburger.''

Two months later, Williams is still mad about it.

"This baggage inspection was not done in my presence,'' he said. "Therefore I don't know if the meat was stacked on the floor during the 'prohibited item search.' Was any of it swabbed by chemicals for explosive detection? Did any bomb-sniffing dogs lick the caribou meat? Did the TSA inspectors wear new, previously unused rubber latex gloves while handling our tenderloins, or had they just finished handling someone's dirty underwear?

''The value of this caribou meat is about $28 per pound, and we are afraid to eat it. Would you eat it?''

Appeals to the airlines that hauled the meat brought no response, Williams added. They said it's not their fault.

And the Houston hunter, a former Alaska lodge owner, has had trouble getting any response out of the TSA.

TSA Alaska director Ken Jarman on Friday said he had only recently heard about what happened and begun investigating. He is, he added, determined to get to the bottom of the incident. He said he was almost as shocked as Williams at what happened.

"I'm a hunter and fisherman, too,'' Jarman said.

Cutting open packaged game meat or fish is against both TSA policy and procedure, he added.

Baggage inspectors on the X-ray line in Anchorage aren't even allowed to slice packages open if the alarm goes off on a bag there, he said. And in Kenai, where there is no X-ray, baggage checkers hand-inspecting bags are supposed to pass fish and game meat -- not cut it up.

"I feel badly about this,'' Jarman said. "It is under investigation. We are looking into it.''

He also offered assurances to the many anglers now beginning to ship fish south from Alaska that they shouldn't have to worry about the sort of bad experience endured by Williams, who has cooled down somewhat from the day he opened the first meat box in his garage.

"I opened the first box, and that was the first time I knew anything because they had retaped the box,'' he said. "I was irate. I was glad I couldn't get a hold of somebody when I opened that box. I had to cool down before I did anything I was so upset.''

Williams suspects the meat-slashing took place at the Kenai airport, where he first boarded a commercial flight upon returning from a caribou hunt in the Iliamna area. He was participating in a special winter hunt the state Board of Game established several years ago to try to trim the growing Mulchatna caribou herd before it overtaxes its range.

Williams said he was glad to have the opportunity.

Going to Alaska to hunt and fish, he said, "is my favorite thing to do. I don't bowl. I don't play golf. We usually go up in June and again in July. I went up early to get a caribou. I hadn't been up in winter in a long time, and we were out of meat.''

Williams said he plans to come back soon to fish, even though the March trip left him angry. Mainly, he said, he wants the government to get the baggage-inspection system fixed in Alaska. He has, he said, shipped meat and fish through major airports across the country and never had a problem like this.

"I'm trying to make a little stink about it,'' Williams admitted. "If nobody says anything, it just gets worse.

"Something needs to be changed so all of that stuff is scanned and not cut open. I have taken meat through the Houston airport and asked that it be scanned, and it has passed perfectly through a scanner.''

Similar scanners, Jarman said, are now being used for everything in Anchorage. And he's trying to get scanners for Kenai. Inspectors there, at the moment, are still hand-inspecting, but they are not supposed to slice anything open.

Williams wonders about that.

"The government doesn't have any customer service,'' he said.

Jarman, however, assured that the TSA in Alaska will try to act like it does.


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To: 4Freedom
    Well, let's start with you're opinion of the impact a bomb

Step 1: Substituting in the above sentence full words for contractions before attempting comprehension:

    Well, let's start with you are opinion of the impact a bomb ...

Step 2: Attempt comprehension of the written text:

Error, sentence does not compute as phrased ...

41 posted on 06/01/2003 7:52:36 AM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: Jhoffa_
The truck or car that brought this box to the airport or a table it was placed on could have had black powder or gun powder residue on them that the box picked up.

If this box made TSA's ETD machine alarm, this guy's lucky he received it at all.

I'm not crazy about this whole TSA thing either, but this may not be entirely their fault.

Oh, and TSA employees are non-union, so far.

42 posted on 06/01/2003 7:54:59 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: _Jim
I apologize for the typo, so what's your opinion?
43 posted on 06/01/2003 7:57:23 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: Trust but Verify
And you know the rules are not being enforced, how?

I know the rules are not being enforced because this guy's meat, that wan't supposed to be touched, was ruined.

Do you know this person has not/will not be disciplined?

Even if discipline is forthcoming, that helps Mr. Williams how?

44 posted on 06/01/2003 7:58:07 AM PDT by Jarhead_22 (Peace can wait. I want payback.)
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To: 4Freedom

The article says they broke the rules.. It is their fault.

Aren't the screeners TSA? If so, they are union.

45 posted on 06/01/2003 8:05:52 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Jarhead_22
See post #39. Would you have them just pass packages with explosive residue through without further inspection? I suspect not.

The TSA is in a no win situation with a lot of people on this forum. Damned if they do. Damned if they don't.

46 posted on 06/01/2003 8:06:42 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: 4Freedom
... impact [an exploding] bomb ...

That would be a major catastrophe.

Wouldn't you agree?

No.

I would classify it as a manageable experience.

Look at the really, minimal effect the bomb that went off had, overall, at the summer games in Atlanta a few years back ...

47 posted on 06/01/2003 8:08:48 AM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: Jarhead_22
I feel sorry for Mr. Williams, but this meat might have been packed at a hunting lodge where the box somehow came into contact with explosive residue that set off TSA's ETD machine.

Would you want to fly with a box, that tested positive for the presence of explosives, that TSA was afraid to physically inspect because there might be expensive meat inside?

Sorry, but if any other passenger's any damn package, computer or bag alarms the ETD machine while I'm in line, the TSA better investigate that alarm.

If some passenger goads the TSA into letting his baggage pass without being thoroughly, physically inspected after it tests positive for the presence of explosives trace and the TSA can't determine it was a false alarm any other way, I'M NOT GETTING ON THE PLANE, AMIGO.

I don't know about you, but I'm worth more than $28 per pound.

48 posted on 06/01/2003 8:16:06 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: buffyt; Vinnie
Speaking of the Denver Airport--my mother's sister, a septuagenarian widow was travelling with a church group to Mexico City about four years ago and was robbed by the Denver airport security thugs. They seized her to be frisked and interrogated as a potential hijacker while one of them stole her money,ID and her PASSPORT. She was in the custody of the security thugs when her purse was robbed. Of course none them saw anything and there was conveniently nothing to be seen on the security cameras. She missed the flight and had to get a temporary passport. Eventually caught up with her group and they took up a little collection for spending money.

I didn't find out about this for a long time and was pretty aggravated that nobody went to an outside agency like the state police or FBI but they didn't.

Rockpile-----Airline free since 1985.

49 posted on 06/01/2003 8:22:02 AM PDT by Rockpile
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To: 4Freedom
You bring up good points, but the food was wrapped in paper and the paper showed that in some cases they did not even bother to check the meat, they just cut it and moved on.

You may be right about the meat packages triggering something with trace residue, but xray would have worked.

I know that shipping meat by airlines does not work anyway, a few Americans have tried to ship good roast beef and steaks over here and it never makes it. (Kosher beef vacumes, nothing like a thick American Steak hot off of the grill). Somehow the suitcases ALWAYS gets "lost" and you get it back next week in a rather ripe state. We figure the dogs trigger on a juicy steak every time and the suitcases are delayed.

Serious Bummer. I am jonesin for a real steak...
50 posted on 06/01/2003 8:23:03 AM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: Vinnie
Eggzactly ! Airlines will go the path of trains. Absorbed by goobermint and you'll then pay for your ticket at the counter and or mine April 16th of every year.

I will not subject myself or my family to such fake safety measures that have no problem shooting me from the sky with an F-16 but worries about an armed, pilot having small arms conceiled upon their person for defense of the cockpit.

Their excuse.....he could kill a lot of people.............not that he couldn't flying the dang plane into the dirt.

Drive when ya can for now but look forward to seeing all those neat rest stops on the interstates being used for safety inspections in the future. Thats the next step for them to take IMO.

Stay Safe !

51 posted on 06/01/2003 8:24:10 AM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: ContentiousObjector
Cutting open packaged game meat or fish is against both TSA policy and procedure, he added.

I'll bet you dollars for donuts that this was the work of some emplyee at the TSA that was determined to teach a lesson to what they perceived as a gun weilding, Bambi killing Right Wingnut.

52 posted on 06/01/2003 8:24:18 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: ContentiousObjector
"The government doesn't have any customer service,'' he said.

Nor should it. They work for us! We are the ones that should dock our workers when they don't perform to previously agreed-to standards and practices.

53 posted on 06/01/2003 8:26:09 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: _Jim
"...manageable experience."

A large bomb exploding among as many as 2,000 men, women and children waiting in line at a crowded checkpoint would be a "manageable experience"?

Not to mention the major terminal damage and gore that would take days or weeks to repair and clean away?

What if it wasn't an isolated incident?

54 posted on 06/01/2003 8:27:11 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Who has the boxcutters now?

Check eBay.

55 posted on 06/01/2003 8:32:11 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: 4Freedom
   A large bomb exploding ...

A 'large' bomb', as you put it, would impose significant 'weight' and volume requirements on it's 'human transport host' and would be more than just a little OBVIOUS as well ... all factors leading to it's discovery (the way MOST ALL of these 'nuts' are discovered before they are able to complete their 'task') ...

No points - not a viable, hypothetical situation.

Try again ...

56 posted on 06/01/2003 8:34:54 AM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: American in Israel
I have done a lot of traveling in the Caribbean and the locals there always seem to be lugging carry-on bags loaded with frozen food. Along with butcher knives and all kinds of things you'd never believe.

As I recall, the x-ray machine operators can't see through food that's frozen solid, regardless if it's wrapped in paper, plastic or aluminum foil.

Next time I'm in line at a checkpoint, I'll ask one of the Screeners about it, again. You might do the same. We can compare notes.

I'm a steak lover, too. Butter-basted over white-hot coals. Mmmm, mmmm, nothing beats that.

57 posted on 06/01/2003 8:44:12 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: _Jim
Jim, I see passengers 'carry-on' bags that weigh close to 100 lbs every time I travel. They check bags that weigh as much onto the plane all the time.

But the scenario we're discussing is one in which a large bomb explodes in line before any airport employees ever take a look at it or ascertain its weight or even wonder about the bags contents.

A big guy could load one of those wheeled bags with a couple of hundred pounds of explosives and get right in line and then detonate it before he ever tries to pass it though the x-ray machine.

Nobody's scrutinizing the passengers or their baggage up to that point at any of the airports I've been to.

Completely, "viable, hypothetical situation."

Wouldn't you agree?

58 posted on 06/01/2003 8:59:44 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: Trust but Verify
The TSA is in a no win situation with a lot of people on this forum.

Untrue. They could use the CAPPS information that WOULD HAVE STOPPED 9/11 to focus on the actual likely terrorists.

Or do you believe it is irrational and/or unreasonable to call the current airport security system and expensive, degrading, ineffective charade?

59 posted on 06/01/2003 9:07:24 AM PDT by eno_
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To: _Jim
Look at the really, minimal effect the bomb that went off had, overall, at the summer games in Atlanta a few years back ...

Yeah, as long as there is a domestic nutter to blame it on. Or, as in the case of AA587, an FAA team player willing to destroy their own credibility by declaring "It wasn't terrorism." before the fires are out.

60 posted on 06/01/2003 9:11:52 AM PDT by eno_
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