Eric Rudolph Captured

CNN | May 31,2003 | Vinnie

[Vinnie]

CNN is reporting that Eric Rudolph has been captured in Murphy, North Carolina

[Kevin Curry]

Legal but Not Safe

Wall Street Journal, July 31, 1996
By Candice C. Crandall

Just how much bad medicine is being glossed over in the name of choice? "A lot," according to Warren Hern, a nationally known specialist in abortion and author of "Abortion Practice," the nation's most widely used textbook on the subject. Epidemiologists with the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will say only that they cannot be certain that all abortion-related deaths are being reported. But today, anyone can sit down at a computer--as I did recently--and pull up hundreds of newspaper accounts of death, injury and fraud at walk-in abortion clinics across the country.

These are not the pristine establishments where Radcliffe girls might go for a weekend abortion. These are the clinics that advertise in Spanish-language newspapers and neighborhood weeklies, pay kickbacks to sleazy phone referral services, and lure women through the doorway with names that echo the political lingua franca--"choice" and "reproductive health." These are the nightmarish abortion mills where black and Hispanic women are dying at a rate 2.5 times that of white women; where doctors stop midway through a procedure to shake down patients for more cash and turn them out into the street bleeding if they can't pay up; where staff members seldom change the bloody sheets on the beds; where patients scream through their abortions with no anesthesia because administering painkillers is costly and risky. In an assembly line that performs as many as 90 abortions a day, there simply isn't time to take care of these problems. Yuri Kolyadenko/The Women's Quarterly

Most abortion providers, one assumes, are reasonably competent, as they were even before 1973, when Planned Parenthood estimated that nine out of 10 illegal abortions were being performed by qualified physicians. But prior to Roe v. Wade, the fact that these doctors were often breaking the law also kept the numbers of abortions low--as few as 200,000 per year by some estimates--and effectively discouraged most doctors from taking unnecessary risks with their patients. Legalization removed these constraints. An unscrupulous abortion doctor could simply hang out his shingle, confident that he would be shielded by abortion-rights rhetoric that uniformly proclaims him a hero, even if his motive is not compassion but greed. . . .

There are no federal agencies tracking injuries from abortion. Suspected abortion deaths reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention--some 550 between 1972 and 1990--have remained low in relation to the total number of procedures--about 27 million over the same period.

But how reliable are these figures? CDC officials themselves have expressed doubts. According to Clarice Green, who handles the CDC's abortion data, state health agencies are not required by law to report abortion deaths to the CDC. To estimate death rates, the CDC has to rely increasingly on alternative sources such as private citizens, maternal mortality surveys, even newspaper articles. This is clearly inadequate. Preliminary CDC data for 1991 and 1992, for example, list only two abortion-related deaths, one for each year. Antiabortion groups, however, can provide death certificates and autopsy reports showing at least 20 abortion-related deaths over that same period.

In September 1994, three months after the murder of an abortion doctor at the Pensacola Ladies Center, Florida health officials were publicly embarrassed by Associated Press reports that two doctors at the same clinic, listed in good standing with the Florida Board of Medicine, had lengthy records of medical and ethical violations.

The failure of state licensing boards to put such doctors out of business eventually leaves it up to law enforcement officials. Three years ago, a botched abortion performed in Queens, N.Y., by David Benjamin left Guadalupe Negron, a 33-year-old mother of three, sitting on his operating table covered in her own vomit, watching her life bleed out of her. Dr. Benjamin, who was convicted of second-degree murder, had scores of complaints on file and had been barred from two hospitals for gross negligence before the state Health Department finally revoked his license, just two weeks before Negron's death. Health Department officials permitted him to continue practicing while the decision was under appeal . . . .[emphasis added]

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More women are dying because far, far more abortions are being performed and because abortion is the gutter-practice of medicine, suffused at all levels with a gross disregard for life itself.

[eddie willers]

I had no idea who the guy was until I saw a TV picture of him (the one on the right above, the artist's rendering) a few days later.

Whew!....Thanks for the clarification.

[William McKinley]

I am glad to hear that clarification, MHGinTN. By the way you phrased it the first time, it sounded as if you had recognized him in the bar and had done nothing.

Obviously, anyone who had encountered this guy in the past months who did not know who he was are not guilty of anything.

However, those who did know who he was, and who helped him avoid capture, would have been complicit in any subsequent killings by him, and also contributed to an environment where domestic terrorists would feel emboldened by his lack of capture.

[najida]

Not to mention all the folk medicine...
There was bottled elixir on the shelves for years when I was a kid...that was guaranteed to 'help with irregular menses'....And I think the ingredients were cohosh, parsley and pennyroyal.

[MHGinTN]

And then of course there are those 40,000,000 plus individual human lives (and their 'potential off-spring, the real 'potential' humans in the pregnant womb) snuffed out at the altar of 'choice' ... but certain posters wouldn't want attention drawn to thoise little ones don'tcha know.

[sakic]

That a rabid leftist like yourself is allowed to remain here on FR is rather unusual.

Maybe we should only have folks here that you approve of.

[baseballfanjm]

Good point. But you know, it doesn't have to make sense for liberals to use it in a argument. When Osama wasn't caught as soon as the Taliban fell, it could be used by liberals as an argument. Same for Saddam. Glad they caught this guy though.

[rebel]

See #357

[wardaddy]

Bump....I'm gonna resist this thread.

He should not have killed innocents. I would like to see more evidence on the Atlanta bombing....I'm sure someone has it.

[CaptIsaacDavis]

Funny thing -- the most "fanatic" devotees of political terrorism, who left 60 million dead in the 20th century, were ATHEISTS (communists). That stat coms from the "Black Book of Communism" by the way...

[JustPiper]

Yeppers black cohosh is essential to us. I grew up with a Polish grandmother that preached natural medicine, so I studied it for a time, taking mail correspondence. When I was diagnosed with something, the traditional MD said the good news is, we know what's wrong. Bad news we cannot treat it, I suggest Homepathically and that began even what I believe in today, 20 years later. Country folk, whether here or across the ocean, know what they speak of!

[Kevin Curry]

The innocent dead are invisible to them. The have invested so deeply in the pro-death culture that cognitive dissonance has of necessity created a lacuna in their moral vista for them to hide the dirty little secret away where it can disturb them neither emotionally nor intellectually.

The carnage is so overwhelming, and the response to it so underwhelming, that it brings to mind Stalin's infamous dictum: "A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic."

[Delphinium]

I found myself in anger, I cried out in despair. I prayed, "L-rd let them hear me! Let just one person care!"

I raised my voice to heaven, as the train kept moving on. As we passed behind the church yard I could hear the worship songs.

I cried out all the louder, to the Christians there inside. But they raised the chorus louder, not hearing me outside.

I knew they heard the whistle and the clacking of the tracks. They knew that I was going to die and still they turned their backs.

I said, "Father in heaven how can your people be so very hard of hearing to the cry of one like me?

I shouted, "Please have mercy! Just a prayer before I die!"

But they sang a little louder to the Holy One on High.

They raised their hands to Heaven but the blood was dripping down. The blood of all the innocent their voices tried to drown.

They have devotions daily, they function in My Name, and they never even realized it was I upon that train.

[JustPiper]

but certain posters wouldn't want attention drawn to thoise little ones don'tcha know. I can handle whatever is written. What I cannot handle is when people think their opinion is the only right one. I believe a fair person looks at 'both' sides of an issue and does not fanatically take one side. It is the "Christian" thing to do, not to defame or gossip or judge. It is not for us to judge, jury, convict and sentence those who choose abortion. That is God's choice.

[marajade]

And yet you justify someone like Rudolph who is just as guilty as they are...

[JustPiper]

That a rabid leftist like yourself is allowed to remain here on FR is rather unusual.

You call her a rabid leftist, but ProLife people are also rabid. She is entitled to her beliefs and opinions. She is a good person and this thread does not need to turn ugly.

[dread78645]

one murder at the abortion clinic in Altanta

Nope. The Sandy Springs clinic bombing injured 7, but there were no fatalities.

[wardaddy]

Nothing short of self preservation probably (maybe not even that if it was soft peddled to feed out need to feel good about ourselves). We are soft as putty and oblivious to our decline.

[JustPiper]

I think it is a shame you are not allowed to keep your views to yourself and get outted and baited like that and feel the need to declare how you feel. It is no one's right here to do that to you, manipulate you. You are God's free thinking and feeling embodiment, no one, once again has a right to Judge you or your views!

[Alberta's Child]

I don't know too many details about the crimes in question, but when survivalist Bo Greitz was asked why he undertook an extensive effort to find Rudolph, he said he was convinced that Rudolph was guilty of only one of these crimes but was being blamed for the others just because he made an easy target.