Eric Rudolph Captured

CNN | May 31,2003 | Vinnie

[Vinnie]

CNN is reporting that Eric Rudolph has been captured in Murphy, North Carolina

[WarSlut]

Considering you managed to turn a simple Jane Russell thread -- destined for no more than 30-40 posts -- into a 400+-post opus dedicated to your guilt-free abortion, I'd say you brought this on yourself. You and your friend here can paint it any way you like. The link's just a quick scroll up the page, they can see you in all you nihlistic, crass glory all for themselves. I didn't get involved until the end, when it became too much to bear (I've been in abortion threads all weekends, it's been on my mind, obviously).

If you're referring to the Phil Jackson crack, sorry. You're the first person I'd ever seen on Free Republic boasting of a sexual conquest, and that just stuck with me since I read it. And being a basketball fan in (not of) Los Angeles, I'm obviously not going to forget the name.

Really, I'd rather I didn't know a thing about you. Unfortunately, you've made that impossible.

[NCjim]

What is the "Triple name demonization"?

You've heard of John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald and John Lee Malvo haven't you?

You forgot Hillary Rodham Clinton...

[Hildy]

YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND, and I really do think you're obsessed with me. I wrote that I dated Phil Jackson MONTHS ago, I never said ANYTHING about sleeping with him. This was not a SIMPLE Jane Russell thread. The thread was about the effects of abortion later on in life. Wow.

[WarSlut]

That is my point. The more you talk, WarSlut, the more you illustrate it.

Then I'd better stop talking, huh?

This isn't any technique. This is emotion. If you want debate without emotion, anger, passion and intensity, try PBS. This is an abortion thread. To many, myself included, this is the single most important issue facing the human race today. Wardaddy was right. This one's the big Kahuna.

It's certainly the single most important issue to the Democrats.

For the record, I've lost about ten people in my life to abortion -- that is, people I've never had the pleasure of meeting. I know a lot of people who've had abortions. I've never pointed a finger in anyone's chest. I've never lectured or preached at anyone. I never even raised my voice at any of them.

And I wasn't able to stop a single one of them.

When you figure out a good way to get people to not have abortions, let me know, because I haven't. Until then, the debate goes on (and it will get ugly).

[WarSlut]

This was not a SIMPLE Jane Russell thread. The thread was about the effects of abortion later on in life. Wow.

The thread was about you. And enough with incredulous reactions already.

[Hildy]

The thread was about you.

You really are obsessed with me ...ICKK.

[Hildy]

Hey, have you been reading the posts warslut has addressed to me? He is really obsessed with me. It's WEIRD.

[Those_Crazy_Liberals]

So you are going with the media rather than anything he's been directly quoted as saying? CometBaby, I have read your comments here long enough to know you usually need more than that to confirm such attacks on a particular person.

[Delphinium]

I don't see where anyone is obsessed with you. I read the Jane Russell thread, and found that you were kinda asking for the reaction you got. You weren't the victim. You kept insisting that you had no guilt for killing your baby. How did you expect people to react?

Maybe in your conscious mind you aren't feeling guilt, but I believe it is stuffed down in your subconscious somewhere so deep. This explains the defensiveness, or hardness that seems to be coming from you. It is a survival mode for many women. If they were to somehow believe that they had actually killed their precious baby it would be devastating. They would have to admit to the most horrible wrong that is imaginable. So to survive they have to have complete denial, but the guilt is really there inside. This can cause all kinds of other problems, including physical problems. I believe that could be one reason women who have had abortions have a much higher rate of breast cancer.

I did not write this to condemn you Hildy, even though I can tell you will probably take it that way. I can tell you that God can forgive you and completely heal you. All of us have sinned and come short of the glory of God. None of us deserve God’s grace, and forgiveness.Especially not me.

This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 1John 4.10

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

When you figure out a good way to get people to not have abortions, let me know, because I haven't.

Well, this rage and shame thing people do ain't it. That much is clear.

I have a friend who is an RN. She's the one pro-lifer I know who really puts her money where her mouth is. She volunteers in a crisis pregnancy center three days a week.

I'll bet she's stopped a few.

(And I am very, very proud of her for it.)

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

The thread was about the effects of abortion later on in life. Wow.

That was my impression, as well.

[Cathryn Crawford]

One of the reasons there is a higher rate of breast cancer in women who abort (whether naturally or induced) is because the tissue of the breast changes so much during preganancy. When an abortion occurs, the tissue has not gone through the entire process (which should naturally end in breastfeeding), and so there is tissue left in "limbo", which has a higher rate of turning cancerous.

The rate is quite high and should certianly be a factor when a woman is making the decision to have an abortion.

[Delphinium]

Breast cancer is also higher for women that do not breast feed. Probably because the natural process is interupted.

Woman are also emotionally getting ready to be a mother, when this is interupted by abortion, or miscarriage it can cause serious emotional drama like depression, or in some cases denial, and hardness of heart.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Woman are also emotionally getting ready to be a mother, when this is interupted by abortion, or miscarriage it can cause serious emotional drama like depression, or in some cases denial, and hardness of heart.

Some people get depressed, that is true. Drastic hormonal changes can cause very serious depression, not entirely unlike postpartum depression - which can be horrible.

There are also people who go right on with their lives. I know several like that, and none that I would describe as ailing from "hardness of heart" or "denial". They are typically women who later marry, look back on the experience with mixed feelings, but don't give it much thought. The ones I am thinking of seem perfectly happy. (And, I might add, two that I know are born-again Christians; another is Catholic, and another is a Jehovah's Witness. I would assume at least a couple of them have sought God's forgiveness and felt that they received it.)

I think the cold, hard reality of it is that many women who have abortions have one thing on their mind: not being pregnant anymore. That's all they want. They are desperate, and they will take their chances with what happens later.

Some have a difficult time afterwards, but really, a lot of them don't.

[Delphinium]

God made us like that. These homones cause women to become a mother. Its part of nature. Its unatural for a woman not to have these natural affections.

You are right most of the women who have abortions are thinking only of themselves. That's hard to began with, so maybe they have already seared their conscience? A woman who isn't bothered by killing her baby has got to have a pretty hard heart.

I don't pretend to know the psychology of all woman that have abortions, but I can say without any doubt that it is horribly wrong no matter which way you look at it.

I think God for grace and mercy for all that come to Him for forgiveness. I pray for mercy for our nation for allowing this to continue.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

You are right most of the women who have abortions are thinking only of themselves.

I didn't really say that, exactly - and I guess I wouldn't describe it that way. I just think they're desperate and afraid. Some of them have boyfriends that don't want the child. Some of them have parents who wouldn't handle it well. They're thinking of a lot of things, I would guess.

That's why the I think the best thing people who want to save that baby can do is offer a hand to that woman. It may be the only one that is extended.

[Delphinium]

they're desperate and afraid

I know, I have been there. On another thread I wrote,

I did except Jesus Christ as my savior when I was 15 years old which was a life changing experience. It did not prevent me from becoming pregnant by an older man that I hardly knew at age 18. I had left home at age 16, and had a very tough life trying to make a living for myself, much less another. When I became pregnant many advised me to get rid of it. It was the most difficult time in my life. I was a regular church at tender. I had been preaching too many since I was 15, and now I looked like a hypocrite for sure. I had no one to take care of me. One night I contemplated suicide, but in my mind at that extremely low moment the reason I could not do it was that it was not just my life, but that child inside me. He had as much right to life as I. He is now a father of 4, and his first was also an accident. It changed the whole course of his ambitious life, but he too realized it was just not his life. He was my second most life changing experience, and I have never regretted it.

I have been there more than once, that was just my first pregnancy. My second happened accidently when I was first married to a man I was so in love with. He tried to force me to kill my son. It was the beginning of the end of my marriage.My son is much more important than any man who would want me to kill a baby. That was my 2nd of 4 unplanned pregnancies.

I also wrote on this forum that my step daughter recently aborted her baby after her boy friend and his parents preasured her. He left her right after and she had a nervous break down. Guess who she called for help first. Me, the most vocal pro-life person she knows. Her own mom had 3 abortions she would have understood. This girl came to me, we sent her money, bought her a car and got her with us. She really regrets it, she wants that baby.

Believe me, I have helped more woman who are pregnant than I can count. Its really wonderful to know children you have had apart in saving their life. Because of where I have been, I help alot of people. God has brought me into a place financially where I am able, but even when I had so little I did all I could. I believe all Christians should be doing this anyway. Faith, if it hath not works, is dead,.

I still say they were thinking of only themselves.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I still say they were thinking of only themselves.

Which is perfectly fine, if that's what you think. I only corrected you because you implied that I had said it, and I don't think it's that simple.

[Delphinium]

Life is not simple.

[Bonaparte]

Tommy Dale [168 - to Catspaw]: "Go ahead and write as though he is guilty -- you are opening yourself up to a libel case."

Hillary? Hell no! [post 196]: "Would you please stop acting as though you know something about defamation cases? It is tremendously irritating to those of us who do. Yes, TommyDale, the term is "defamation." Not "libel." Not "slander." It's all "defamation" now, and failing to use the word "alleged" here does not rise to the level of defamation."
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What is it with you, Hillary? Do you specialize in being dead wrong?

If somebody is defamed in writing on the internet and his grievance satisfies legal criteria as outlined below, he has grounds to sue for libel arising from defamation. Contrary to what you have so dogmatically and falsely stated, it is very much about libel.

From the law website of David Potts, prominent libel lawyer -- he makes it quite clear that defamation in writing on the internet is the very definition of "cyberlibel" and that such definition may even extend to online visual representations other than writing.

From Findlaw Legal Dictionary --

libel

['li-bel]

Anglo-French, from Latin libellus, diminutive of liber book

1: "complaint § 1" (used esp. in admiralty and divorce cases)

2 a: a defamatory statement or representation esp. in the form of written or printed words

specif
: a false published statement that injures an individual's reputation (as in business) or otherwise exposes him or her to public contempt

b: the publication of such a libel

...

A libel plaintiff must generally establish that the alleged libel refers to him or her specifically, that it was published to others, and that some injury (as to reputation) occurred that gives him or her a right to recover damages (as actual, general, presumed, or special damages). The defendant may plead and establish the truth of the statements as a defense. Criminal libel may have additional elements, as in tending to provoke a breach of peace or in blackening the memory of someone who is dead, and may not have to be published to someone other than the person libeled.

From the Florida Bar --

Generally, defamation consists of: (1) a false statement of fact about another; (2) an unprivileged publication of that statement to a third party; (3) some degree of fault, depending on the type of case; and (4) some harm or damage. Libel is defamation by the printed word and slander is defamation by the spoken word.

From the University of Virginia Law Review --

Defamation is a legal concept older than the American colonies; it was brought over with much of English common law. To recover damages, you simply show that the defendant said something false about you that was unflattering and thus caused a lowering of your reputation or your ability to earn a living. (Libel is defamation that is written; slander is spoken.)

From the Maryland State Bar Exam Analysis --

Defamation. On these facts, Alex has a cause of action for defamation (the unprivileged publication
of false and defamatory statements which naturally and proximately result in injury to another) against Hal
and Wilma. Libel is defamation in written form (printing, writing, signs, pictures, etc.); slander is speaking
defamatory words which tend to injure the reputation of another.