Orlando group says Miami disabled woman will not abort fetus

http://www.miami.com ^ | 5-29-03 | AP

[plusone]

Anyone who would knowingly bring a sick child into the world (who would then have to spend a lifetime suffering) just to appease your version of God is sick.

[plusone]

Actually, I would be opposed to an abortion in most cases as late as 24 weeks. They should be performed as early as possible, well before the 12 week mark. (I have argued my reasoning for this cutoff in another post). This might be an exception, however, given the absurdity of the circumstances.

[plusone]

I appreciate your view.

[plusone]

Your turn of phrase is correct, but revealing. It shows the dicotomy that the pro and anti camps have dug themselves into. Either 'life at any cost', or 'life is worthless'.

[Scothia]

For the pro-lifers, women are just baby-receptacles. Rape victims give up their rights one moment past conception. And babies aren't guaranteed the right to be born healthy. Life for the sake of life...

Why is it you so-called "pro-choicers" go Rumplestiltskin whenever a choice is made for a baby to be born alive instead of aborted? Could it be that nothing short of another dead infant would appease the bloodthirsty gods (or should I say goddesses) you worship?

And why is it you can never answer the simple question: If a man commits rape, why should a baby concieved by that act get the death penalty?

[SuziQ]

The woman, whose identity has not been revealed, managed to tell Rothenberg her wishes during a hearing on May 22: ''My baby no more,'' she said.

So he interpreted her wish as "I want an abortion"?

Her statement could easily have meant "This is my baby, but I don't want to have another one." Seems the solution of delivering the baby, then doing the tubal ligation with handle both of those wishes at the same time. She'll give her baby life, but won't be getting pregnant again.

[Under the Radar]

Actually, I would be opposed to an abortion in most cases as late as 24 weeks. They should be performed as early as possible, well before the 12 week mark. (I have argued my reasoning for this cutoff in another post). This might be an exception, however, given the absurdity of the circumstances.

Which circumstances are you referring to? The baby has a 30% chance of being disabled, which means that it has a 70% chance of being healthy. If you are ostensibly concerned about the health of the woman, causing her body to abort the baby now wouldn't help her. She will go through the trauma of birth whether now or later, either way it will be hard on her. You wouldn't be sparing her any suffering.

What we don't know is whether her doctors have discontinued her medication since she is pregnant. If she is not receiving the anti-seizure medication she needs due to pregnancy, then you might have a case. However, since you haven't brought this point up yourself, I doubt you had considered it when you made your argument.

[Aquinasfan]

Anyone who would knowingly bring a sick child into the world (who would then have to spend a lifetime suffering) just to appease your version of God is sick.

Death is preferable to a life of infirmity, right? So why aren't you out killing all disabled people?

Again, think before speaking.

[cgk]

Right. It also could have been a Question - her trying (with the intellect of a 4 year old) to understand exactly what people told her would happen to the baby she knew was inside her: abortion.

[cgk]

Exactly. Bump to a great point.

[cgk]

A person with cognitive skills of a 4-year old could not understand pregnancy or abortion

I agree... they MIGHT understand pregnancy -within limits. Abortion - I don't think so.

[cgk]

LOL! How adorable! (and great adding skills I might add for that age.)

[cgk]

And why is it you can never answer the simple question: If a man commits rape, why should a baby concieved by that act get the death penalty?

THAT is one of the best statements I've ever seen. Thank you.

[cgk]

Praying for the babies, and the mothers. They are not out of danger either. One has severe brain seizures and ANY surgery (be it the court ordered tubal ligation or abortion or delivering the baby) could be a severe strain on her health.

[MHGinTN]

Sadly, people like plusone maintain their their image of rational by denying the unborn are fully human beings ... to the 'plusones' of the abortion apologist network, anything not yet born is not yet fully human so it is open season for 'choice'. Such people will be the camels upon whose backs the cannibalism of therapeutic cloning will be carried into civilization, to be embraced as enlightened medical advance.

[LanPB01]

"If a man commits rape, why should a baby concieved by that act get the death penalty?"

I'll take a shot at answering that. Because a woman might not want to carry to full term a child that bears the inferior genetics of a rapist.

[cgk]

Anyone who would knowingly bring a sick child into the world (who would then have to spend a lifetime suffering)

Here is a link with some background on this case:

Judge orders abortion for disabled woman (Florida)

(snip...)Doctors at Jackson Memorial Hospital scheduled an abortion for last week, reports the Sun-Sentinel, but chose not to perform it because the baby appeared to be developing normally and there was no medical reason to terminate the pregnancy

This is not a sick child/baby being brought into this world. The doctors had scheduled an abortion, and cancelled it because the baby was NOT deformed/sick, and because the mother was in no immediate danger.

This article does not contain these facts except to mention that the baby "May/could" be deformed.

[cgk]

Right. I guess I should be whacked immediately, because I have MS and GOD knows disabled/sick people shouldn't be allowed to live. (and the baby is "developing normally".)

[Blood of Tyrants]

Life at any cost? What the daylights are you talking about? Abortion in the vast majority of cases is used as a means of retroactive birth control. It is you pro-murder abortionists who have made life worthless.

There are probably not 5 cases in 1000 where an abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother (not counting the cases where the baby expired in the womb from natural causes). I would go so far as to say that less than 5 in 10,000 abortions were medically necessary.

[cgk]

As usual, you have wrapped it up perfectly.

I keep remembering the rational that it isn't a BABY until it has a piece of paper saying it is. Even in the Bible reference is made to God knowing "my name before I was born/in the womb." I'm sorry I don't know the exact verse.