Can Annika make the cut? Friday's action at Colonial (LIVE DISCUSSION)

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Round 2

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Position			Player Name First/Last	Scoring			Rounds				Total Score
	Current	Start		Today	Thru	To Par	1	2	3	4
	1	1	Rory Sabbatini	8:58CT	-	-6	64	-	-	-	64
	T2	T2	Mark Calcavecchia*	E	2	-5	65	-	-	-	65
	T2	T2	Patrick Sheehan*	1:54CT	-	-5	65	-	-	-	65
	T4	T6	Brett Quigley	-1	4	-4	67	-	-	-	67
	T4	T6	Phil Mickelson	-1	1	-4	67	-	-	-	67
	T4	T4	Dan Forsman*	1:10CT	-	-4	66	-	-	-	66
	T7	T6	Glen Day	E	4	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T6	Stephen Ames	E	2	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T6	Chad Campbell*	E	2	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T22	Rocco Mediate*	-1	2	-3	68	-	-	-	68
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	T7	T6	Craig Parry	8:25CT	-	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T6	Spike McRoy	8:25CT	-	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T6	Brian Watts	8:47CT	-	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T6	Duffy Waldorf	12:15CT	-	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T6	Olin Browne*	12:26CT	-	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T6	Stewart Cink	12:37CT	-	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T6	Jay Williamson*	12:37CT	-	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T6	Mike Sposa	12:59CT	-	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T6	Loren Roberts	1:10CT	-	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T6	J.J. Henry*	1:32CT	-	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T7	T6	Brandt Jobe*	1:43CT	-	-3	67	-	-	-	67
	T22	T40	Pat Bates	-1	2	-2	69	-	-	-	69
	T22	T22	Kenny Perry*	E	1	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T4	Jesper Parnevik*	2	1	-2	66	-	-	-	66
	T22	T22	Matt Gogel*	8:25CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Jim Furyk	8:36CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Marco Dawson*	8:58CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Tim Petrovic*	12:15CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Esteban Toledo	12:26CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Brian Gay	12:26CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Frank Lickliter II	12:48CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Jeff Sluman	12:48CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Corey Pavin	12:59CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Rich Beem	1:10CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Justin Leonard	1:21CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Luke Donald	1:21CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Billy Andrade	1:32CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Greg Chalmers*	1:32CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T22	T22	Cliff Kresge*	1:54CT	-	-2	68	-	-	-	68
	T40	T40	Bob Tway	E	4	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T40	T54	Tom Byrum*	-1	4	-1	70	-	-	-	70
	T40	T40	Billy Mayfair*	E	4	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T40	T22	Jeff Brehaut	1	2	-1	68	-	-	-	68
	T40	T40	Bob Burns	E	1	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T40	T40	Steve Flesch	8:36CT	-	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T40	T40	Kirk Triplett*	8:47CT	-	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T40	T40	David Frost*	8:58CT	-	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T40	T40	Joey Sindelar*	12:26CT	-	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T40	T40	Per-Ulrik Johansson	12:37CT	-	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T40	T40	Jay Haas*	12:37CT	-	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T40	T40	Len Mattiace	12:48CT	-	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T40	T40	Scott Verplank*	12:48CT	-	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T40	T40	Gene Sauers*	1:10CT	-	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T40	T40	Harrison Frazar	1:32CT	-	-1	69	-	-	-	69
	T55	T73	Brent Geiberger*	-1	2	E	71	-	-	-	71
	T55	T54	Tom Pernice, Jr.	E	1	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T55	T54	Nick Price	8:25CT	-	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T55	T54	Fred Funk*	8:25CT	-	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T55	T54	Joe Durant*	8:36CT	-	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T55	T54	Peter Lonard*	8:47CT	-	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T55	T54	Brian Henninger	8:58CT	-	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T55	T54	Brenden Pappas*	8:58CT	-	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T55	T54	Briny Baird*	12:15CT	-	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T55	T54	Paul Goydos	12:26CT	-	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T55	T54	Woody Austin*	12:37CT	-	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T55	T54	Cameron Beckman*	12:59CT	-	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T55	T54	Shigeki Maruyama*	1:21CT	-	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T55	T54	Alex Cejka*	1:54CT	-	E	70	-	-	-	70
	T69	T54	Dudley Hart	1	3	1	70	-	-	-	70
	T69	T99	Jonathan Kaye*	-2	3	1	73	-	-	-	73
	T69	T54	J.P. Hayes	1	1	1	70	-	-	-	70
	T69	T73	Hal Sutton	E	1	1	71	-	-	-	71
	T69	T54	John Rollins*	1	1	1	70	-	-	-	70
	T69	T73	Tim Clark	8:47CT	-	1	71	-	-	-	71
	T69	T73	Shaun Micheel	8:58CT	-	1	71	-	-	-	71
	T69	T73	Skip Kendall*	12:15CT	-	1	71	-	-	-	71
	T69	T73	John Senden*	12:26CT	-	1	71	-	-	-	71
	T69	T73	Tim Herron	12:37CT	-	1	71	-	-	-	71
	T69	T73	Chris Smith	12:59CT	-	1	71	-	-	-	71
	T69	T73	Jonathan Byrd*	12:59CT	-	1	71	-	-	-	71
	T69	T73	Lee Janzen*	1:21CT	-	1	71	-	-	-	71
	T69	T73	Scott Simpson	1:32CT	-	1	71	-	-	-	71
	T69	T73	Dean Wilson	1:43CT	-	1	71	-	-	-	71
	T69	T73	Annika Sorenstam	1:43CT	-	1	71	-	-	-	71
	T69	T73	Carl Pettersson*	1:43CT	-	1	71	-	-	-	71
Projected Cut: 1
	T86	T54	Brandel Chamblee*	2	4	2	70	-	-	-	70
	T86	T54	Carl Paulson	2	3	2	70	-	-	-	70
	T86	T87	Mark Brooks	E	1	2	72	-	-	-	72
	T86	T87	Sergio Garcia*	8:36CT	-	2	72	-	-	-	72
	T86	T87	Pat Perez	8:47CT	-	2	72	-	-	-	72
	T86	T87	Geoff Ogilvy*	8:47CT	-	2	72	-	-	-	72
	T86	T87	James McLean*	9:09CT	-	2	72	-	-	-	72
	T86	T87	Heath Slocum	12:15CT	-	2	72	-	-	-	72
	T86	T87	Stuart Appleby	1:10CT	-	2	72	-	-	-	72
	T86	T87	Steve Elkington*	1:10CT	-	2	72	-	-	-	72
	T86	T87	Peter Jacobsen*	1:32CT	-	2	72	-	-	-	72
	T86	T87	Aaron Barber	1:43CT	-	2	72	-	-	-	72
	T98	T87	David Peoples	1	3	3	72	-	-	-	72
	T98	T99	Craig Perks	8:36CT	-	3	73	-	-	-	73
	T98	T99	Bob Estes*	8:36CT	-	3	73	-	-	-	73
	T98	T99	Ian Leggatt*	12:48CT	-	3	73	-	-	-	73
	T98	T99	Joel Edwards	1:21CT	-	3	73	-	-	-	73
	T103	T106	Robert Gamez*	-1	4	4	75	-	-	-	75
	T103	T87	J.L. Lewis*	2	3	4	72	-	-	-	72
	T103	T106	Rod Pampling*	-1	2	4	75	-	-	-	75
	T103	T99	Tom Lehman*	1	2	4	73	-	-	-	73
	T103	105	Scott McCarron*	1:21CT	-	4	74	-	-	-	74
	T108	T106	Dan Pohl*	9:09CT	-	5	75	-	-	-	75
	T108	T106	Fulton Allem*	12:48CT	-	5	75	-	-	-	75
	T110	T110	Kevin Sutherland*	8:25CT	-	6	76	-	-	-	76
	T110	T110	Arron Oberholser	12:15CT	-	6	76	-	-	-	76
	T110	T110	Keith Clearwater*	1:43CT	-	6	76	-	-	-	76
	113	113	Rod Curl*	9:09CT	-	8	78	-	-	-	78
	-	-	David Toms	Withdrawn			-	-	-	-	-
	-	-	Ben Crane	Did not start

[Cvengr]

I'm a little split on the topic.

With respect to the whole affair, it's still only a game.

Nothing more than a rich man's version of 'Kick the Can'.

PGA purses seem as thought they can get to be about 10 times the size as LPGA.

I really don't see any difference in the course work, except the men's PGA rounds tend to run 20-50 yds further back on the black tees, instead of the blues. In some respects, that simply favors a more wirey, long driving player.

Greens might be more shaped on the PGA, but then again PGA players have wimped out and not played PGA West Stadium in favor of Pussyville Landmark, so PGA players really aren't so studly as to claim they have the tougher courses.

IMHO, a really good golfer should be able to place the ball within 5 ft of the cup on every approach shot. But instead, longer courses tend to favor the long hitter who is sloppy near the green. The really good golfers get squeezed out because some group of morons who simply learned some balance and swinging through the ball early on in their career, even using a baseball swing, could overcome their inaccuracy.

IMHO, Tiger Woods needs to be countered by a golfer who can place the ball within a foot of the cup every time his approach is within 150 yds. Accordingly, I see nothing keeping women from performing that same degree of skill.

Technically they aren't "woman's" tees and "men's" tees, they are simply different colored tees.

One could modify the rules based upon other metrics to even allow different starting tees regardless of sex and still have a fair game. "Longest drive" competitions might not apply with that modification, but most log hitters I've seen, aren't that spectacular within 150yds. In other words, I'll consider myself good when I drop 50% of my approach shots into the cup without putting.

I recognize 'pros' look at the odds of hitting the right shot, and opt to take the safe shot, but then again, dang-it, if the pro isn't hitting the right shots, then just who the hell is going to hit them.

My idea of a greeat game of golf is simply to drive about 200 yds each tee shot and drop the ball into the cup on every approach within 150 yds or at least lip the cup. I haven't seen any pros do that yet, so if Annika or any other woman can do that at a PGA tournament, more power to them.

[Cvengr]

The men can play the come line in Vegas at the craps table and still ride the ponies. Women can play the come line on the ponies and still ride in Vegas, but the odds are different.

[Cvengr]

Nah, I disagree. Focus on your 5 iron, wedge and putter first. Get the swing down, then go to the woods and drivers.

I did that 4 years ago. I haven't played a round in 6 months, played a tourney last week and carried the team with out warming up in the high 70's from my effort, several under team effort. Had one poor shot, chip shot when I looked up and hit too far under the ball. Rest of it was instinct.

I've seen too many 'long hitters' give up the game because after several years they might only play 3 times a year and then never can figure out why they're 12-20 strokes over their former self.

[KellyAdmirer]

Just came back from a round of ... well, never mind about that.

Sorenstam did precisely what I and a lot of others thought she would do - beat a small group of guys (11, to be exact) who happened to have a particular bad two days. Some percentage of people will always hit a temporary downturn. Those men have nothing of which to be ashamed.

I think this travesty was terrible for women's golf. Kathy Whitworth was on earlier (I just finished the tape) and basically waffled on that point - which I found very interesting. The fact that Sorenstam kicked her out of the locker room before the round probably opened her eyes about some things.

I notice the guy posting the scores so glowingly in Sorenstam's favor yesterday and earlier today suddenly disappeared at the precise moment she started coming apart. What a coincidence that he suddenly had something more important to do. Fair weather fans and all that, I guess she became unimportant once she stopped appearing to prove some weak political point.

I give the woman credit. She tried. She collapsed due to lack of stamina, just as I mentioned she might yesterday. I fault her arrogance and folly in the attempt. There is no way this woman could make a living on the men's tour, now or ever, and that was pretty clear to those who know golf. Endorsements wouldn't come to someone who never made a cut. All she did was play on peoples' prejudices to create a sensation that went nowhere. I find that rude.

Sorenstam clearly was out of her league. Sad, really. She played the round of her life yesterday - but then, Eddie Gaedel walked his first time up. Sorenstam's performance suggests that, like her, the second time out he too would have struck out.

So now we wait for the next huckster's hype, playing on the war between the sexes to make a buck. Sigh.

[Bob J]

PGA West is the most savagely inhuman, punitive and unfair course satan could concieve.

[jackbill]

The only difference between Annika and the Rain Man, is Annika got an invite to play.

And so did a number of other "sponsor exemptions".

She did not have to qualify for squat. She did not have to prove a thing.

She surely did have to qualify, by having a certain handicap. Which is probably a lot better than yours.

Yet all the press and people with too few teeth thought she deserved to be there.

And a lot of knuckle dragging trogolodytes didn't.

Well at the end of the day, she couldn't make a living by just being a woman.

With lifetime earnings exceeding $11 million, I suspect that she has been a bit more successful than you. And maybe that's what's bugging you.

She actually had to go out and play the game.

And she did. And thousands of people who were there appreciated her game. And even more than that watched and appreciated her game on TV. Maybe, when you grow up, you will be on TV as well. Until then, crawl back into your hole.

troglodyte

[marshmallow]

Why ruin a good walk?

You've jogged my memory. Somebody's definition of a round of golf was "a good walk, ruined."

Who was it? Mark Twain?

Anyone?

[Bob J]

With lifetime earnings exceeding $11 million, I suspect that she has been a bit more successful than you. And maybe that's what's bugging you.

And after Swedish taxes she has exactly $47.27 left. Don't believe me? Check out her attire the last 2 days...looks like she shops at Costco.

BTW - I'm an Annika fan, just brutally honest.

[Bob J]

Twain. And BTW , it is "A good walk spoiled."

[marshmallow]

Ahhhhhhh, thank you.

It was driving me crazy trying to think who said that.

[Travis McGee]

I believe it was Mr. Clemens.

[commish]

LOL - Yeah those were "putts of a lifetime" - the kind of thing that keeps making me go back out to the course week in and week out.

We played Angel's Trace North 1st Round, Belle Terre 2nd Round, and Crown Park 3rd Round. Also fit in a practice round at Whispering Pines.

[Labyrinthos]

Have a great round of golf tomorrow with your lady friends. I'm sure you'll still be playing with your balls tomorrow night -- by yourself.

[discostu]

No the projected cut after 1 was +1, right off the PGATour site. Not that you would check anything being a well known BSer. The cut is 70+ ties at the end of one +1 was a huge tie for 65th.

[discostu]

She played fairly well especially when considering the vast quantity of differences between the LPGA and PGA (because she used her own clubs that was about the only thing the same), didn't choke under the pressure and showed she can handle herself. 114 people started, only one gets to win, close to 40 don't get to make it to the last rounds. How a person comports themselves even in a loss is telling, by the 6th hole of the 2nd round she was toast, but she kept plugging away trying her best. Compare that to Clearwater who got DQ'd, at least she can say she was a better sportsman than him.

[discostu]

That's all most of us wanted to do. Certain people hounded these threads for the last week spreading lies and insults. I cannot and will not let lies go unchallenged, especially when they're about me. I realize from your standpoint that's annoying and I'm sorry, I just hope you can understand my position.

[discostu]

I'm the wrong one to ask. I don't see a disparity in the prize money. Prize money is a function of both skill and audience.

See very few of us in the "pro-Annika" camp we trying to make this some sort of equalizing measure. Pretty much everything you've seen Presidio or Cedric say I think I don't. What I liked was seeing somebody try to reach beyond themselves, a proven winner who normally enters events as the favorite taking the leap into MUCH more difficult playing conditions and going in as the underdog. The gender and even the sport didn't matter one bit to me, it's the concept that I like. To me that's what sports is and hopefully always will be about, people not being comfortable with the same stuff and trying to rise above it, even if they fail, even if they fail miserably, they tried. That is so extremely cool, it's one of the most spectacular things a person can do.

Why is it sad? She did the best she could and she didn't quit, she kept trying even after the effort became futile. One of the things I always love in the Olympics isn't the winners, it's the abject losers, the cross country skier that's an hour and half behind the pace, they're so exhausted they can barely stand and sometime aren't standing, who just keep trying, not because they can win but because they won't quit. Now I'm not saying Annika went to that level, but she did to a lesser extent embody that spirit. The challenge, the effort to rise above herself, not quiting even when she'd lost. That is NEVER sad. That is the spirit of sport and competition.

[TomB]

I have a life on weekends. On the golf course. So you won't be hearing from me after another hour or so from now.

Gee, whatever happened to your golf game? Looks like you were ready to bolt when she teed off, but when she started to falter, you stuck around.

That is so brave of you.

[Hacksaw]

I notice the guy posting the scores so glowingly in Sorenstam's favor yesterday and earlier today suddenly disappeared at the precise moment she started coming apart. What a coincidence that he suddenly had something more important to do. Fair weather fans and all that, I guess she became unimportant once she stopped appearing to prove some weak political point.

I noticed that as well. I did not comment on the thread, as I do not know much about golf, but it seemed that the male feminists ran for the hills.

I also noticed that the only reason the male feminists believed people were against this publicity stunt was hatred of women. Oh well.

[kevkrom]

Maybe the sponsor should make a special exemption for Annika to play on the weekend, too.

I knew some idiot was going to (sarcastically) suggest this at some point -- the whole reason I have been in favor of Sorenstram competing here is that she is doing it by the same rules as the men. If they were to change the rules for her, then that would have been a real circus sideshow and an embarassment for the PGA.