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'Honey, You Repel Me': Advice For Couples in a Sexless Marriage
Wall Street Journal ^ | Thursday, May 15, 2003 | SUE SHELLENBARGER

Posted on 05/15/2003 12:50:59 PM PDT by WaveThatFlag

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:48:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A few times in my 12 years writing this column, I've stumbled on a topic so unsettling to readers that it demanded a follow-up. Last month was one of those times, when my story on the problems of dual-income, no-sex marriages drew a torrent of e-mail that read as if I'd jabbed an open wound.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; sex
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To: whereasandsoforth
Describe to me, in twenty words or less, your last orgasm.

Okay:
I received a Lewinsky from my wife that was so good I had to pull the sheets outta my a$$!

121 posted on 05/15/2003 2:02:22 PM PDT by Ignatz (Scribe of the Unwritten Law)
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To: luckystarmom
"Things got hard once we had 3 little kids and 1 income, so I don't buy the 2 income thing."

That's just a different set of problems which then have to be dealt with. I did both too...coincidentally including the three kids. The thing is that there will ALWAYS be problems in life, whether one of you is working or you're both working, whether you have kids or not.

Fulfillment is where we FIND it. I've never known anyone who managed to find fulfillment when they actively LOOK for it. These people who're complaining about the lack of it seem to think they can somehow earn it, like a salary or a gold medal. They're actively, desprately looking for it, and as long as they do that, they'll never find it. Conversely, people who claim to be fulfilled all the time are deluding themselves. A life without problems isn't a life.

122 posted on 05/15/2003 2:03:24 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: William McKinley
Now that sheds a whole new light on this: "Oh, cripes, get that damned dog off the bed!"

"Move over little dog cause the big dog`s moving in..."
Hank Williams

123 posted on 05/15/2003 2:03:37 PM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline currently experiencing technical difficulties, please stand by)
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To: WaveThatFlag
"Her idea of foreplay is me taking out the trash and doing the dishes while keeping the kids entertained."

He's obviously never read "Sex Begins in the Kitchen" by Dr. Kevin Leman.

124 posted on 05/15/2003 2:04:03 PM PDT by mombonn (Have you prayed for your President yet today?)
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To: mombonn
He's obviously never read "Sex Begins in the Kitchen" by Dr. Kevin Leman.

Just be careful with the hand mixer...

125 posted on 05/15/2003 2:04:49 PM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline currently experiencing technical difficulties, please stand by)
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To: WaveThatFlag
She asks, "Is it worth it for me to go through some kind of therapy?"

"Absolutely," says Tony Jurich, a past president of the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy.

"Ain't nothing wrong with you that 120 bucks an hour won't fix."

The Los Angeles-area consultant, he says, might explore new ways to encourage his spouse to lose weight,

Oh, yeah, that's going to go over big.

Is it ever wise to just resign yourself to a no-sex state of affairs? It depends, therapists said.

"How much money do you have?"

126 posted on 05/15/2003 2:05:08 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Aliska
"People shouldn't need sex toys to turn them on."

I agree. But AFTER you're turned on, they can really be alot of fun.
127 posted on 05/15/2003 2:05:30 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Rushmore Rocks

128 posted on 05/15/2003 2:06:51 PM PDT by TheBigB ("Daddy, what's -b*tch-?" "It's a grown-up word, honey. It means junior Senator from New York")
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To: FourPeas; Reeses
I'd say saying The smartest women do have children or The smartest women do not have children are equally "true" as both are based solely on personal preference.
129 posted on 05/15/2003 2:07:15 PM PDT by k2blader (Haruspex, beware.)
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To: dirtboy
Just be careful with the hand mixer...

Thats why I got a Kitchen Aide stand mixer for Christmas 2 years ago!

130 posted on 05/15/2003 2:08:34 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: goodieD
this is utterly ridiculous... it's as if they are saying that sex is 90 percent of a marriage..would they divorce their spouse if they became paralyzed and couldn't have sex anymore?

You're missing the point. "Can't" isn't offensive: "won't" is!

131 posted on 05/15/2003 2:08:57 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Reeses; All
"The result is having a profound impact on the gene pool. The smartest women do not have any kids, pretty much capping how smart women in general can be."

I'm considered fairly smart. I have three children.

There are a LOT of female FReepers who will gladly disillusion you on that point.

On the point of heat, I'm of childbearing age still, and go into 'heat' once a month. It's just the normal ovulation cycle. Using your cavewoman/man analogy, most likely, women go into heat more often in order to keep their males interested, and AROUND. If he takes off, it's quicker and easier to catch another male to help raise the kids, because human children take the longest to grow into adulthood.

132 posted on 05/15/2003 2:09:55 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Phantom Lord
Hey. No bad mouthing sex toys!

Now there's a phrase...

133 posted on 05/15/2003 2:10:49 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Leftists view the truth as an easily avoidable nuisance)
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To: WaveThatFlag
Well now isn't that interesting! I'm now just a little over 50 and have come to believe that most women my age believe that the word 'Foreplay' is a short way of describing three weeks of intense begging.
134 posted on 05/15/2003 2:12:02 PM PDT by rapture-me
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To: WaveThatFlag
bump
135 posted on 05/15/2003 2:12:30 PM PDT by VOA
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To: marujo
I don't think it is very dated, at all, although I do think way too many couples don't follow its timeless wisdom.

It is a statement that basically stating the responsibility that goes along with the expectation of fidelity, namely that a good, conscientious spouse is not selfish when it comes to their flesh.

136 posted on 05/15/2003 2:12:39 PM PDT by William McKinley (Our differences are politics. Our agreements are principles.)
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To: Delbert
”Obviously this thread hits pretty close to home ...I guess I'll just be quiet

I’m in more or less the same boat. I try to be supportive and affirmative with my wife but do drop hints where appropriate like “When are you going to get rid of all those clothes that don’t fit you anymore” or “Hey hon, my gym is running a free trial membership want to come with me”. It has worked to some extent but I am careful not to hurt her feelings or give her any ammunition to use in every argument we get into (nag..nag..nag).

It is important to remember that we all marry for better or worse and subsequently share in our spouses shortcomings and failures. If there is any way you can help her out you should.

137 posted on 05/15/2003 2:12:42 PM PDT by SouthParkRepublican (God bless our troops)
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To: Phantom Lord
Thats why I got a Kitchen Aide stand mixer for Christmas 2 years ago!

Kinky...

138 posted on 05/15/2003 2:13:01 PM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline currently experiencing technical difficulties, please stand by)
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To: dark_lord
Oh hell, you can just handle it if there is no other outlet.
139 posted on 05/15/2003 2:13:29 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: Phantom Lord
Yes, that is their business. How was I telling anybody how to have sex? I was merely stating my personal opinion and observations.
140 posted on 05/15/2003 2:13:45 PM PDT by Aliska
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