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Real Southern Barbeque
Shucks.net ^ | 13 May 2003 | Brad Edmonds

Posted on 05/13/2003 4:44:31 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

The origins of term "barbeque" and the cooking methods associated with it are lost to history. The term itself may derive from a French term meaning something to the effect of "head to tail." Indeed, much barbeque involves cooking the entire animal. Some stories say the tradition in the US dates to the 1700s in Virginia and North Carolina, among colonists who perhaps learned the technique from American Indians or Caribbean aborigines. Given that the basic requisites are meat and fire, barbequing probably dates back about as far back as human use of fire.

As to the term "barbeque" today, different people take it different ways. There is "grilling" the meat is within several inches of the flames, such as with an hibachi, and you get grill marks; and "smoking" the meat is nowhere near the flames, and the hot smoke itself cooks the meat. According to 19th-century cowboy traditions, the meat should be cooked at around 200 degrees F., so any place near a flame would be too hot. The smoke flavor itself is part of the objective; keeping the meat tender and juicy is the rest (though I don t believe I ve ever eaten a juicy barbequed brisket).

For "barbeque," some people think smoking and some think grilling. It would be helpful if we could come up with some additional terms one for smoking and then slathering with barbeque sauce, one for smoking while basting with barbeque sauce, another for grilling while basting. Perhaps another for grilling and then basting. For now, when somebody sells or otherwise offers you something they claim has been barbequed, look around or ask how it was cooked. You re not being rude; cooking meat is an art, and the more you can learn about the flavors and textures that result from different techniques, the better. Most cooks and chefs are pleased to hear "how did you prepare this?"

At cookoffs, Texans often will smoke a piece of meat for six hours or more, up to six feet away from the flame. A more common technique is to have the meat directly over the flame, but a low flame, with the whole contraption enclosed to keep in the smoke. This is a more practical alternative to fabricating a grill that measures 3' by 5' by 7'.

There s pretty much one real regional difference in the South with regard to the meat. The vast majority of Dixie, upon hearing "barbeque," assumes pork; Texans don t. Rather, they often assume beef brisket. As to the wood used for smoking, there is disagreement, but the differences are found in every town and don t follow regional lines (except that some hardwoods were more available in some places than others in the past; today, you can get anything at a big grocery store). Hickory and mesquite are the most popular; applewood and "hardwood" are still seen here and there. The real disagreement is over whether the variety of wood matters much. There is much less disagreement that wood gives more smoke flavor than charcoal. There can be no disagreement that gas grills don t impart any smoke flavor.

There are more differences with regard to sauces. In Texas, barbequed meat is usually served with sauce on the side if there is any sauce at all. My favorite restaurant in College Station (I can t remember its name) served half a raw onion, a 4-oz. slice of cheddar cheese, a pickle, and 8 ounces of whatever meat you wanted, all on a piece of butcher paper. They gave you a knife (no fork) and a jar of their own barbeque sauce. The meat choices were pork tenderloin; beef that could pass for tenderloin; polish sausage; and I forget what else. Maybe chicken. The sauce I remember: Thick and fresh (hot from the pot, actually), but with very little flavor beyond tomato no pepper heat, no vinegar tang, no sweetness, no real spicy piquancy.

That s probably not typical of Texas barbeque sauces. A list of ingredients from one of the self-proclaimed "best" Texas barbeque sauces begins with "tomato concentrate, distilled vinegar, corn syrup, salt, spices ." That would be typical of barbeque sauces around the country: They ll have a tomato base, vinegar, sweetener, always a little garlic and onion, and some heat. They sometimes have a puckering tang from prepared (powdered) mustard or turmeric; and some have a little citrus flavoring of some sort. Mustard-based sauces show up in some places; they tend to be less sweet than the brownish sauces.

Those are the basic two, with the tomato-based sauce being the most popular. However, eastern North Carolina and Virginia have a tradition of their own: A watery, vinegar-based sauce with no tomato, sugar, or mustard flavor. I ordered a bottle and tasted it, and can report that it is similar to any "Louisiana" hot sauce (the ingredients of which should always be only vinegar, peppers, and salt). The North Carolina sauce added some other spices that gave it an extremely dry, almost bitter flavor, similar to a Thai pepper sauce. The particular one I sampled has won awards in North Carolina, but to me it seemed to be lacking something. The spices made the sauce seem to want for some sweetness, which impression does not accompany the taste of a Louisiana hot sauce.

If you haven t had the chance to sample any local Southern barbeque sauces, despair not: The flavor that best captures the typical sauce can be had for 99 cents just buy a bottle of Kraft barbeque sauce. That isn t shameful Kraft hires food experts to develop sauces for a living, and they measure proportions in parts per million. Kraft, by the way, sells about 50 varieties, and they re all inexpensive and good. Don t spend $4 on a bottle of sauce heck, Kraft makes the more expensive "gourmet" Bullseye sauces. They re not any better than the 99-cent stuff.

Most local Southern sauces taste similar to one Kraft variety or another. At one of the more famous barbeque joints in the Southeast, Dreamland (based in Tuscaloosa, Alabama), the sauce tastes exactly like the regular Kraft with a little sugar and heat added. That the good local sauces and Kraft sauces are similar means only that Southerners and food giants are arriving at a good flavor. And some of Kraft s 50 relatively new varieties probably are themselves imitations of, or inspired by, various local twists on the basic theme.

Indeed, just as government interventions lag behind the market s identification of needs and their solutions (e.g., in the early 20th century, the government decided to write child-labor laws after the economy began to generate enough wealth that children weren t any longer being sent to factories by their parents, and after special-interest groups decided they were outraged by a practice that was already going away), big corporations get "new" food-product ideas from foods people already have. The Oreo probably wasn t even an exception. They won t tell, though; I tried to get information out of Kraft, to no avail.

So, "barbeque," whatever the term means, isn t a Southern invention; surely it s as old as the hills. All we did was perfect it. The reasons why would be pure speculation, but they probably begin with our better climate, our love of hunting and fishing, our greater sociability, our slower-paced life, and our tasty pigs; and end with the only possible result of millions of people enjoying a craft that requires them to do all the work every time: Innovations happen randomly, frequently, sometimes serendipitously, but inexorably.

A note about perfection: Theoretically, there s no such thing. Practically, however, every time you barbeque something well and everybody loves it, it s perfect; and as tastes change over time, recipes and techniques will evolve to accommodate them, and it ll still be perfect.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: North Carolina; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bbq; dixie; dixielist; mustardsaucesucks; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; south
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To: okie01
I got in on the end of this debate. Has anyone mentioned McMillan's in Fannin Texas (between Victoria and Goliad)?

Mac's brisket, ribs and sausage are hard to beat.

261 posted on 05/14/2003 1:25:53 PM PDT by Extremist
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To: PianoMan
Yah, there isn't much french about BBQ. I was told that it originated from a cattle ranch that with the "Bar" BQ brand. The name implys the sauce
262 posted on 05/14/2003 1:26:02 PM PDT by Dead Dog (1)
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To: Rebelbase
Texans have a different attitude....Its all how the meat is smoked and which type of wood is used..Hickory or Mequite. I've used apple, maple and oak before, but Hickory and Mequite appear to be the most aromatic that i've tried

My forefathers will probably disown me for revealing the most sacred of our family secrets, but for the best BBQ you've ever had, try using Pecan. It burns about the same as hickory (when cut the two species are nearly impossible to distinguish), but the flavor is distinct. Make sure you're dealing with natural (not kiln; that'll ruin it) dried wood.

264 posted on 05/14/2003 2:44:12 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: BushCountry
Wonder why you have to use white vinegar as it not suppose to be good for you only good to do windows with?
265 posted on 05/14/2003 2:47:45 PM PDT by LADYAK
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To: stainlessbanner
Sorry, brother, but if it a pork with a tangy, peppery sauce, it ain't barbecue (and that vinegar stuff? Bleah!).
266 posted on 05/14/2003 2:50:55 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"ain't pork"
267 posted on 05/14/2003 2:51:28 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Extremist
"Has anyone mentioned McMillan's in Fannin Texas (between Victoria and Goliad)?"

Sounds like Mac's is a place I need to visit...

268 posted on 05/14/2003 3:14:33 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: snopercod; Wisconsin; Rebelbase
It's a Lufkin tape. Don't know why it's there. Everyone just adds a tape to their pics.

As to when the ribs were made. That was Friday and I reheated them on Sunday. They really were quite good.

Glad you guys liked.

269 posted on 05/14/2003 4:28:57 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: husky ed
I looks just a Craftsman 100' tape I use at work. I've gone through at least 25 of them since 1992 and have only paid for one.
270 posted on 05/14/2003 4:33:36 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
Had my truck parked in front of my house one night. The next day, I found the Lufkin in the back. Go figure.
271 posted on 05/14/2003 5:20:40 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: husky ed
Lufkin tape. Thanks. Hmmmmmm. Must be a Southern version of "tourist guy".

This thread is making me gain ten pounds just reading it...

272 posted on 05/15/2003 3:58:15 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: stainlessbanner
Use K.C. Masterpiece in one of its flavor variations. Of all the BBQ I've bought in a store, its the best. I'm not from MO or KC by the way.
273 posted on 05/15/2003 4:40:54 AM PDT by razorbak
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To: okie01
Sounds like Mac's is a place I need to visit...

He has wierd hours. I'd recommend calling ahead if your driving very far 361-645-2326. I haven't traveled through their for a year or so, but having done done a ton of business travel in Texas, I can honestly say its about the best barbeque I've had.

274 posted on 05/15/2003 6:43:43 AM PDT by Extremist
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To: Extremist
"He has wierd hours."

One of the best barbecue joints in Dallas, Sonny Bryant's old place on Inwood Road, opened at 11 AM and stayed open...until there wasn't any left. Usually around 2:00, though sometimes earlier, never later than 3:00.

275 posted on 05/15/2003 3:30:25 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: Extremist
"...keeping the meat tender and juicy is the rest (though I don t believe I ve ever eaten a juicy barbequed brisket)."

The author obviously never dined at Sonny Bryant's.

Sliced beef sandwiches that were wipe-off-your-chin-juicy...

276 posted on 05/15/2003 3:33:29 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: stainlessbanner
Now you went and did it! I might have to have to get a barbeque for supper now!
277 posted on 05/15/2003 4:02:01 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: putupon
If you like that stuff, you are obviously from Michigan or some other snow encrusted tundra and grew up eating salisbury steak.

Exactly. Only a complete idiot would spend 15 hours plus carefully smoking a 10-pound pork shoulder, using just the right kind of wood, regulating the temperature and smoke draw over that long period of time, in addition to prepping the meat with a special dry rub mixture in the first place, then letting the finished cut "rest" for a sufficient amount of time, before pulling, and then...

And then...

Smothering, SMOTHERING, the finished pulled-pork in a heavy "catsup"-based, store-bought BBQ sauce!

If you're that dense, here's what you should do instead. Get your pork shoulder, BOIL it for an hour in salted water, let it cool, shred it, then pour that crappy BBQ sauce all over it -- SAME DIFFERENCE.

Am I right, "putupon"?

278 posted on 05/15/2003 11:27:59 PM PDT by handk
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To: handk
Absolutly. Although I suspect the "ketchup based" people are the same ones who call shredded beef BBQ. Thats all right, any warm food probably taste good to an ice fisherman on Lake Superior in January. Speaking of which, have you ever had that Spam molded in circles they call Canadian ham? Yankees call that food and eat it too.
279 posted on 05/16/2003 2:59:04 AM PDT by putupon (nothing to read, move along)
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To: Hat-Trick
Arthur Bryant's

I'll second that.

280 posted on 05/17/2003 4:31:24 AM PDT by angkor
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