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The Conservative-Libertarian clash: Values and the free society
Enter Stage Right ^ | May 12, 2003 | By W. James Antle III

Posted on 05/12/2003 1:22:04 PM PDT by JURB

Conservatives and libertarians are often allied against common enemies: the growth of the redistributive state, the assault on private property, the denigration of the free market and various socialist plots large and small. Ron Paul, Walter Williams, Jacob Sullum, Stephen Chapman and Charles Murray have seen both labels applied to them and have had their written work appear in the flagship publications of both movements. The Cato Institute is variously described as a conservative and libertarian think tank.

A reminder of this overlap could be found in the reaction to a brief item on the Drudge Report suggesting that libertarian talk show host Larry Elder might run for office as a Republican ?there were libertarians, including some at Reason magazine's in-house blog, who wondered why Elder would desert the Libertarian Party and conservatives surprised he wasn't already a Republican.

But occasionally the underlying ideological distinctions between libertarians and conservatives surface. Some tried to highlight these differences with regard to the U.S. military campaign in Iraq, but professed libertarians like Brink Lindsey and Glenn Harlan Reynolds of Instapundit fame emerged as staunch interventionists in contrast with a resolute antiwar right typified by such publications as The American Conservative and Chronicles. Despite the diversity of opinion both among those who describe themselves as conservatives and those who describe themselves as libertarians, a number of post-9/11 policy disputes ? the USA PATRIOT Act, the use of the military to spread democracy, various military campaigns in the war on terror, the Bill of Rights and privacy in an age of terrorism ? have increasingly separated many mainstream libertarians from large numbers of conventional conservatives.

Nevertheless, libertarian writers are still published in conservative newspapers, magazines and websites. Libertarian policy institutes are still mined for pro-market talking points by conservative commentators. Jonah Goldberg still refers to libertarians as operationally being members of the political right. What has kept many, perhaps most, libertarians operating within the broader right is the fusionism championed by the venerable conservative magazine that employs Goldberg, National Review.

Conceived by the late political theorist Frank Meyer, fusionism posited that in the American Republic, libertarian means could be used to achieve traditionalist ends. Want the traditional family to thrive? Stop subsidizing illegitimacy through federal welfare payments. Want children to grow up to be faithful and law-abiding? Stop funding the left-wing propaganda being dispensed by public education programs. The synthesis was imperfect ? some Kirkian traditionalists and Strausian conservatives continued to be outspoken about their differences with libertarians, Rothbardian libertarians in particular were never co-opted by fusionism ? but it allowed for libertarians and conservatives to work together and share such common heroes as F.A. Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, Milton Friedman and Peter Bauer.

Meyer's fusionism was always fine as far as it went, but it began to break down when confronted by two different factors: Some conservatives were perfectly comfortable using the state to promote their values; some libertarians cared nothing for traditional morality and in fact regarded any concept of shared values as collectivist nonsense.

This split was evident during the recent Bill Bennett gambling flap. Libertarian criticism of Bennett in light of the Newsweek and Washington Monthly revelations equaled and perhaps exceeded left-liberal criticism in intensity. The former education secretary and drug czar was an unrepentant drug warrior and leading force for using the federal government to promote traditionalist conservative objectives. But libertarian criticism was not limited to Bennett's designs for the state: many were clearly put off by his propensity to judge lifestyles, criticize individual choices and espouse limits on personal appetites. It was these attributes of his moralizing persona as much as his stance on drugs and other public policy issues that made libertarians rejoice in the knowledge that he ? at least arguably hypocritically ? indulged in some vices of his own.

Even before the Bennett story broke, there was an article by Stanley Kurtz on gay marriage attempting to address some of the libertarian arguments, which was followed by a cacophonous ? and largely unfavorable ? response by some of the leading libertarian voices of the blogosphere. What was truly remarkable about the ensuing debate is that traditionalist conservatives felt Kurtz's arguments had convincingly carried the day while his libertarian critics found them self-evidently absurd. Both sides simply talked past each other. But it is important to note that the libertarian objection to Kurtz's piece was not always confined to his partial defense of Sen. Rick Santorum's thoughts on sodomy laws or even his insistence on state involvement in the institution of marriage. Some libertarians explicitly rejected his call to shared values and social conventions.

The tensions that have frayed the National Review fusionist consensus do in part reflect ideological differences that can never completely be bridged. But some of the arguments at the root of the conservative-libertarian schism are counterproductive even from the perspective of the side of the debate advancing them.

Government at all levels, and the federal government in particular, can never function primarily as a morals police and will never be an adequate guarantor of traditional values. The state is not inherently conservative. The state can only grow and support itself by extracting wealth from the private economy; excessive growth, even when self-styled conservatives are running it, can only come at the expense of civil society (including what in today's parlance we refer to as "faith-based institutions"), the family and the community. The state can uphold individual rights and prevent people from aggressing against others; it cannot make people internalize virtues in the same was as other life-changing institutions that need room to grow unfettered by government.

Just as conservatives must remember the limits of government, libertarians must understand the importance of virtue. A free society rests in part on shared values, including a common understanding of the intrinsic value of each individual and the obligation to respect others' rights. It is not inconsistent with a regime of minimal government to judge, shun and exclude certain conduct while to affirming, upholding and exhorting certain other conduct. In fact, under this regime the power of real community becomes even more important. A belief in individualism does not mean ignoring the reality that human beings are relational creatures, who live together and form their understandings of the world around them together rather than in total isolation from one another. It is thus important how they live together. The ability to live peacefully together is vital to a free society and may be supported by the moral and cultural framework of that society.

This of course does not solve every policy debate that may divide conservatives and libertarians. Just because something is immoral does not mean that it should be legal; just because something is legal does not mean it is moral; just because some people reject the moral code that has been historically shared by a particular society does not mean that everything that violates this code should be legal.

In my own politics, I am a conservative-libertarian hybrid. I happen to believe both in the traditional understanding of marriage and that sodomy, prostitution and private adult consensual sex generally should be legal. I believe society can and should, through law as well as custom, affirm the two-parent, marriage-based family as the ideal without criminalizing other arrangements and throwing people who live differently in jail. There is plenty in that grab bag of positions to invite disagreement from all kinds of conservatives and libertarians; specific policy positions can be debated.

What is important is a common understanding presupposed by Meyer's fusionism. Edward Feser, a teacher of philosophy at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles, once offered the following description of this understanding in an outstanding essay published on libertarian Lew Rockwell's website: "If I had to sum up the common moral vision of libertarians and conservatives, I would say it is a commitment to the idea of the dignity of man." As Feser went on to note, libertarians tend to emphasize the fact that this means the individual cannot be used as a means to another's end while conservatives tend to emphasize conformity to a moral law that reflects this special dignity. But each emphasis in its own way reflects a belief in the uniqueness of humanity and the inherent value of the individual.

It is because of this belief that in the United States and (to a lesser extent) Canada conservatives and libertarians, for all their differences on many issues, have so often collaborated in a crucial task: Conserving a society with a tradition of valuing individual liberty.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: civilization; conservatism; libertarians; values; wjamesantleiii
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This article does a very good job of encapsulating my own political beliefs within the great libertarian/conservative divide.
1 posted on 05/12/2003 1:22:05 PM PDT by JURB
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To: ValenB4
Seriously, read this. Don't just sort of skim it than say, "Whatever", okay?
2 posted on 05/12/2003 1:24:05 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Bush helps those who help themselves.)
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To: JURB
Not bad at all. There has always been a significant tension between conservatives and libertarians.

Some conservatives, such as Santorum and Bennett share a political philosophy that does not oppose government's intrusive interference in private behavior to regulate morality. I would argue, at some risk of giving offense, that these views reflect a growing tension in American 'conservatism' that has resulted from the great increase in Catholic political conservatism here.

While the Puritans certainly regulated private as well as public morality, there has been a strong move away from that view in Protestant thinking over the past 250 years. The general Anglo-American worldview based on Protestant roots is strongly Lockean and emphasizes individual liberty. While for most it doesn't extend to the sort of libertarian views you seem to have (and which I often, but not always, share), claims of privacy and individual liberty are not alien to those reared in this tradition. Separation of Church and State is a distinctly American Protestant notion.

The modern conservative Catholics, of the Santorum and Bennett stripe, and I would also include the odious Pat Buchanan, stem from the European Catholic conservative tradition of the Counterreformation, the Inquisition and the 19th century cri d' coeur of the papacy against the modern world and classical liberalism. On a fundamental level, those men really don't believe in a right of privacy (whether constitutionally grounded or grounded in some natural law theory) and don't really believe in the separation of church and state. The believe in compelling people to be good, rather than preaching at them to be good.

I don't mean to suggest that Catholicism is the problem, rather that there is a strain in Catholic thought that is manifesting itself and which is not good for the Republic.

3 posted on 05/12/2003 2:26:01 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Mesopotamia Delenda Est)
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To: JURB
I have recently switched to the Libertarian side, and greatly understand this piece. A good read. FReep on!
4 posted on 05/12/2003 2:28:37 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: Skibane; jlogajan; AdamSelene235; coloradan; jimt; freeeee; Pahuanui; tdadams; ...
Maybe so, maybe not. Big 'L' Libertarianism has some bad ideas, eg, open borders, anti-Iraqi war. Maybe we small 'l'ers need a different name?
5 posted on 05/12/2003 2:29:08 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: JURB
One cannot Conserve what one never had. I believe we need to establish a constiturtion republic on Libertarian principles. We had a good start but let it get away from us.
6 posted on 05/12/2003 2:29:47 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: CatoRenasci
rather that there is a strain in Catholic ___________ thought that is manifesting itself and which is not good for the Republic.

Substitute any political/relegious sect in the above.

7 posted on 05/12/2003 2:31:50 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: muir_redwoods
I believe we need to establish a constiturtion republic on Libertarian principles.

Libertarians believe in repealing ALL drug laws, even for minors.

Libertarians believe in open borders.

Libertarians advocate the childs authority to declare himself an adult.

8 posted on 05/12/2003 2:33:54 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: vpintheak
I have recently switched to the Libertarian side, and greatly understand this piece. A good read. FReep on!

Every Libertarian site is linked to a NORML site
Every NORML site is linked to a Libertarian site

(see post #8)

9 posted on 05/12/2003 2:36:47 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Strip away the cant about what they want and look at the practical effects of what Libertarians say and there is little difference between them and Democrats. They are for national defense but nothing in the real world ever seems to fit their criteria of legitimate national defense. They are for freedom in education but against vouchers. They are for tax cuts but any tax cut a Republican has a chance of passing isn't good enough. They are for freedom of religion but always find a reason why religion should be driven out of the public square ("government shouldn't be in education ergo we should not allow religion to be spoken of in government schools").
10 posted on 05/12/2003 2:42:47 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: JURB
Justin Raimondo calls himself a Libertarian. I certainly wouldn't want to be in his camp.
11 posted on 05/12/2003 2:45:11 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Wheat is Murder! (Tilling slaughters worms.....))
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To: cinFLA
Every Libertarian site is linked to a NORML site

Please show me the link from The CATO Institute to NORML.

12 posted on 05/12/2003 2:59:11 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear....)
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To: All
The GOP represents my values, the LP is nowhere close. I have some libertarian sympathies, but the LP is not the same thing. Any Christian who is involved with the LP is doing so in ignorance, or is not really a Christian in the Biblical sense of that word. I am not totally pleased with the Republican Party but it is much closer to my conservative and religious views than any other party ever will be.
13 posted on 05/12/2003 3:00:12 PM PDT by Malcolm
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To: gcruse
Thanks for the ping. Good article.

Interesting that it avoids mention of God and Scripture which seems, as Cato implies above, to be the big motivator in the enmity that the most 'moralistic' conservatives express toward those who embrace a general small 'l' libertarian approach, whether they are devout, atheists, or anything in between.
14 posted on 05/12/2003 3:02:01 PM PDT by RJCogburn (Yes, I will call it bold talk for a......)
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To: CatoRenasci
Excellent comments.

My Latin is terrible, but I enjoy your various taglines and I've got this one figured out.
15 posted on 05/12/2003 3:03:14 PM PDT by RJCogburn (Yes, I will call it bold talk for a......)
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To: JURB
"If I had to sum up the common moral vision of libertarians and conservatives, I would say it is a commitment to the idea of the dignity of man." As Feser went on to note, libertarians tend to emphasize the fact that this means the individual cannot be used as a means to another's end while conservatives tend to emphasize conformity to a moral law that reflects this special dignity. But each emphasis in its own way reflects a belief in the uniqueness of humanity and the inherent value of the individual. It is because of this belief that in the United States and (to a lesser extent) Canada conservatives and libertarians, for all their differences on many issues, have so often collaborated in a crucial task: Conserving a society with a tradition of valuing individual liberty.

I really do not have a problem with this sort of analysis, except for one point. It falls into the trap of those who would divide us, by assuming that Conservatives & Libertarians are two separate, and ideologically consistent--if not disciplined--movements; that these movements come together and fuse, or certainly cooperate on many levels.

While those who adhere generally to certain mental bents, which may be described as one or the other, do indeed have many beliefs in common and often do work together; the fact is that there is no such thing even remotely resembling a monolithic body of Conservative thought, or a monolithic body of Libertarian thought. Indeed, the idea that there really could be such a thing is absurd in the context of the many roots of traditional American culture--what I would refer to for the sake of this reply only, as the "Old American Diversity." What is Conservative in Virginia is not necessarily Conservative in Maine, etc.. By the same token, Libertarians in some States are virtually indistinguishable from Conservatives--the Jeffersonian tradition being profoundly Libertarian, yet now the Conservative tradition of the South and much of the West.

Personally, as an exponent of the doctrines of the Founding Fathers, which were certainly Libertarian in comparison with what we have in Washington--and Columbus--today; I find all attempts to divide Conservatives and Libertarians to be counter-productive. That does not mean that individuals will not commit themselves to particular causes that reflect their deeply held beliefs--and individual Conseratives will sometimes fight with other individual Conservatives and/or with individual Libertarians. But that is only what it should be in a free and reflective society. Let us not magnify those differences out of all proportion, or lose sight of the pathetic course that most politics has been taking throughout the past Century, with the exception of the Reagan victory in 1980. We need both Conservatives and Libertarians who support the Conservative ethos of traditional America, to regain the initiative.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

16 posted on 05/12/2003 3:03:36 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: RJCogburn
Yes, post #13 puts a face on it.
17 posted on 05/12/2003 3:04:31 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: DPB101
They are for freedom of religion but always find a reason why religion should be driven out of the public square ("government shouldn't be in education ergo we should not allow religion to be spoken of in government schools").

Libertarians are against the very existence of government schools, so your argument is moot on that point...

18 posted on 05/12/2003 3:07:10 PM PDT by The Green Goblin
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To: Malcolm
The GOP represents my values, the LP is nowhere close.

Okay, but the article did not mention, I believe, the Libertarian Party.

19 posted on 05/12/2003 3:07:39 PM PDT by RJCogburn (Yes, I will call it bold talk for a......)
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To: AdamSelene235
Please show me the link from The CATO Institute to NORML.

The Cato Institute is NOT a Libertarian site.

20 posted on 05/12/2003 3:11:34 PM PDT by cinFLA
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