Gun Rights on a Roll:Republican Congress Unlikely to Renew Clinton Weapons Ban

Human Events ^ | Week of May 12, 2003 | David Freddoso

[RogueIsland]

So, I conclude that although Bush may have been somehwat honest, the perception of some that voted for him is that he was aganist those laws.

Yeah, gotta agree with that. It's basically "well, if you read the fine print, you'll clearly see that you were not entitled to X, despite what the advertisement might have led you to believe".

[Southack]

"Bush has been a disappointment. He has not made any visible or concerted effort to repeal ANY of Klintons garbage, in any area that I can recall."

What are you smoking?!

Pilots are now armed in the cockpit. The Kyoto Treaty on Global Warming is DEAD. The International Criminal Court is DEAD. The U.S. - CCCP ABM Treaty is DEAD. The UN was just BYPASSED to smack down Hussein in Iraq.

You call all of that disappointing?! Just what exactly are you for, if not killing those treaties, bypassing the UN, and arming pilots?

And what, you don't want to hold Congress responsible for killing the Assault Weapon Ban renewal?

Congress gets a "pass" from you but Bush gets your full ire?!

Like we don't have ONE single Senator who will filibuster this bill (including the Dems themselves if they are still fighting Bush's judges)?! What, we don't have a House that will kill this bill? Oh no, in your view this is all up to Bush, and Bush alone, to stop?!

Oh please...

[ZULU]

"White House spokesman Ari Fleischer confirmed for Human Events last Wednesday that Bush would sign a bill extending the gun ban. "That is the President’s position, and the stand that he took in the 2000 campaign," said Fleischer."

Fleischer is a liar and so is Bush if this is their interpretation of what he said during the debates with Gore.

Bush clearly said he would support no new gun laws and support existing gun laws.

Since Schumer-Feinstein expires in 2004, any EXTENSION of the same constitutes a NEW law. Obviously Carl Rove, Bush Jr., and Fleischer need a good lesson in grammar.

As for relying on Congress to kill ANY bill the media supports, McCain-Feingold proved how valid that assumption is.

Schmuer-Feinstein could very well be Bush Jr's "Read my lips - no new taxes" issue. Pandering to Democrats never got a Republican ANYTHING except a loss in the elections.


Bush should read MY lips. Extend Schumer-Feinstein and he loses my vote - and the votes of thousands of other gun rights supporters. And I'm sure he WON'T be getting any vote from Winnie Brady and her crowd, REGARDLESS of what he does.

[hattend]

BTTT

[Blood of Tyrants]

Refusing to sign and forcing Congress to override him would have been bad.

I believe that you have a misunderstanding as to how the process works. You see, the president can do nothing at all about a particular bill and it will automatically become law in ten days (Sundays excepted). No Congressional override is required. The founders made sure that the president could not indefinitely hold up legislation simply by refusing to act.

[hchutch]

Yup. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Sometimes the method to use is less obvious, but will strengthen our side over the long-term. The fact is, Bush knows what the other side is up to, and he takes that into mind when he does things. As a result, barring unforeseen clusterf***s (like Enron), he will succeed far more often than not.

I'll take Bush and Rove getting results over the methods of the purists any day of the week.

[dljordan]

That clever George! He's making a crafty end run isn't he?

[Blood of Tyrants]

What did Rove say? I haven't heard.

[July 4th]

Oh no! Here come the drive-by bayonettings!

[wcbtinman]

Bush lied when he swore an oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution..." He has done it at least twice, once on CFR and once with the AWB.

[discostu]

Really? News to me. I'll have to look that one up.

[Poohbah]

I would suggest reading Sir Basil Liddel-Hart's works on strategy, in particular his discussion of the indirect approach. While it's usually in terms of warfare, the application to politics is readily discernable.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Haven't you read the article? The odds are next to nothing that it will even be voted on much less passed.

HOWEVER, if by hook or by crook it passes both the House and the Senate, we must make it abundently clear to Bush that 10 million gun owners' votes he loses is far worse than the 20,000 votes he gains from the million moron moms.

I think he knows that he can't afford to alienate gun owners and still win.

[Blue Collar Christian]

"Then there are some people who prefer not to say false things, regardless of the outcome."

But they can't get into public office. Sucks, don't it?

[Blood of Tyrants]

U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 7, Clause 2

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/const/const.html

[discostu]

Sure enough Article 1 Section 7. Still might not have been good. That's 10 days (Sundays excepted) the Dems would have bitched endlessly about him not signing it. Probably would have blown over by election time, but the noise.

[Blue Collar Christian]

"He lied to those who supported him, or he lied to "soccer moms".

At this point here, the opportunity for him to have lied about this has not yet come. He said he would sign the renewal for all to hear. We Repubs knew that going in, the NRA knew then, and knows now too. If Congress was still dominated by Dems, it would have been a waste of time to veto the renewal, so he avoided that. If it can't make it to his desk with the Repubs in control, so what.

I'm still convinced he's a Christian, unless you can show me where he lied.

[Remedy]

Minnesota, New Mexico, and Colorado - that makes three. Who else?

(see map, page 8) probably in the print edition.

Might be listed here Packing.org Concealed Carry (CCW), Concealed Weapon Permit, ...

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Rhode Island won a court case forcing the Shall Issue law to be followed. It had been previously ignored by local police chiefs who refused to accept applications.

Supposedly, they have to process them now.

[oyez]

"I’ve come around to the point that [I believe] you can’t go regulating a legal enterprise out of business," --H Ford, Jr.

There are locked factory gates all over the country that the Federal Government has made it too expensive for them them to remain open. H. Jr. needs to look around. However, if he really means he would refrain from trying to regulate businesses and industries he dosen't like, then that's a refreshing view from a Democrat.