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Nampa Student Told Never To Wear T-shirt Again - Patriotic T-Shirt has soldier w/gun
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Posted on 04/26/2003 10:15:58 AM PDT by chance33_98

Nampa Student Told Never To Wear T-shirt Again

By Jim Poston

NAMPA -

Is it patriotism or gun violence? It's the question at the heart of a flap at a Nampa elementary school.

Park Ridge elementary school officials told 11-year-old Ethan Jansen to stop wearing his military themed T-shirt to school.

The T-shirt depicts a monument at the Fort Lewis military base in Washington state. It shows "Iron mike" hoisting a rifle with a star in the background.

School officials say pictures showing gangs or guns are not allowed in school.

But Ethan's parents call the T-shirt an expression of patriotism.

"I feel offended that it somehow equates gun violence with military and patriotism. I think they're two different things and shouldn't be held at the same level," said Ethan's father, Ben Jansen.

Chief education officer Bill Deakins refused an on camera interview and told us the reason he didn't want to comment was because, "I don't trust the media they build up a controversy where there is none."

Deann and Ben Jansen see it differently. "I understand that they have to have their policies but it's patriotism as well right now we're in a time when patriotism is at one of it's strongest points," said Deann Jansen.

The Park Ridge elementary administrator Phil Cano also declined an on camera interview. But released a statement which says, "The district dress code prohibits any clothing that may be construed as being violence related," and adds, "we are proud of this student and in fact we support the patriotic theme of the T-shirt but we need to be consistent in providing a safe learning environment for all."

Ethan feels a special connection to the military. "It meant a lot to me because my dad fought at home from Fort Lewis because he's in the army and my family is real patriotic and my uncle and stuff is in the army too."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: dresscode; firstamendment; fortlewis; tshirt
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To: freedumb2003
Clymer is a pseudonym for a jerk, an A-you-know-what (rhymes with "sole") after reporter Adam Clymer who laid into Pres. Bush. That's when Bush said something like, "that guy's a real "sole" and Cheney replied, "Big Time." The libs went ballistic, it was hilarious and "Clymer" entered the FR lexicon forever...
41 posted on 04/26/2003 12:40:21 PM PDT by The Right Stuff
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To: Bush2000
I'm not a fan of censorship but look at it this way: If the district allows this kid to wear this shirt, they'd also have to let kids wear shirts promoting gang violence.

No, actually they don't.

It's a stretch, I know, but they could conceivably behave like normal people and distinguish between members of the American military and criminals.

42 posted on 04/26/2003 12:41:04 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
What's so hard about that?

Nothing except we are living in amoral, increasingly socialistic country. Good is called evil and evil called good. Sad that we have to even fight for these issues, isn't it?

43 posted on 04/26/2003 12:47:03 PM PDT by LaineyDee
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To: chance33_98
This is insane.

Only those out of school have free speech?

We pay our tax dollars to support a war and the children can't express support for freedom, liberty, and the defense of that expenditure?

I hope this one flies to the USSC.
44 posted on 04/26/2003 12:49:12 PM PDT by GretchenEE (We export freedom)
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To: chance33_98
Unbelievable what the left has done to this culture. They have no problem with killing a baby in the womb but see great danger with a patriotic picture of a soldier with a gun. This is nuts. If a student has picture of his dad in his wallet holding his M16 while liberating Baghdad, I suppose he would be suspended.
45 posted on 04/26/2003 12:55:44 PM PDT by doug from upland (- to Bill -"You are not fit to be commander in chief" -- father of Sgt. Shughart who died in Somalia)
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To: Frapster
Your argument calls upon the extreme and inane to make a point that's just not there.

Rather than make a logical point you just call it inane and dismiss it. B...freaking...S.

The fact is that its a t-shirt from a US armed forces base that has as soldier's memorial on it. A memorial to people fighting for freedom. To ban that from ANY US classroom because it has a gun on it is the height of stupidity. It makes as much sense as banning World War II photos from history books. Your politically correct BS doesn't fly.
46 posted on 04/26/2003 1:01:02 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Bush2000
I'm not a fan of censorship but look at it this way: If the district allows this kid to wear this shirt, they'd also have to let kids wear shirts promoting gang violence.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

No, I won't look at it that way. Those on the left who defended Clinton told us everyone does it. They have no ability to see any shades of gray. To them, vehicular manslaughter is the same as a parking ticket because they both violate the vehicle code. It would be very easy for the board of education to allow patriotic displays. There really is a difference between gang scum and United States troops. It is time to get in their faces and challenge them on this crap. We have had enough.

47 posted on 04/26/2003 1:01:39 PM PDT by doug from upland (- to Bill -"You are not fit to be commander in chief" -- father of Sgt. Shughart who died in Somalia)
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To: Frapster
"While the first school official copped out on the issue the second had a reasonable position. Follow the dress code."

That reasonable position would seem to be one of, shutup and do what you're told. Perhaps that works well with children, but not adults. Mr. Deakins seems to understand that, hence his unwillingness to subject his position to public adult scrutiny.

Perhaps it is Mr. Deakin's understanding of the dress code that is in error, and it is he who is in need of correction.
48 posted on 04/26/2003 1:07:45 PM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies, he murders part of the world.)
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To: The Right Stuff
Yeah, I got some help earlier.

I feel like an idiot for not putting the 2+2 together.

I clearly remember the reference and what was great is that it was SOOOO true.




49 posted on 04/26/2003 1:08:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: ASOC
That sent me to the closet (not metaphorically, I hasten to add)- it looks like my son bought what might be the same shirt (by 7.62 Design). Don't recall where he picked it up, but between CAP encampments, Army basic and AIT, he ended up with a bunch of shirts that would give a case of the vapors to the "America Last" contingent. His fashion sense is awful (inherited, I confess), but still better than Cheryl Crow's.

My dad (USAF vet) taught for over 30 years, and he said that the public schools would go to hell when all the WWII and Korea vets retired. Sounds like you are blessed with a pocket of sanity in having that particular AP.

50 posted on 04/26/2003 1:11:10 PM PDT by niteowl77
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To: Bush2000; Arkinsaw; sdk7x7; MrsEmmaPeel; Interesting Times; doug from upland

Chief education officer Bill Deakins refused an on camera interview and told us the reason he didn't want to comment was because, "I don't trust the media they build up a controversy where there is none."

See below, Chief education officer Deakins.

"we are proud of this student and in fact we support the patriotic theme of the T-shirt but we need to be consistent in providing a safe learning environment for all."

Park Ridge elementary administrator Phil Cano says the public indoctrination (education) system can't have young impressionable minds seeing just any picture or read just anything. We must install politically correct words and images in their young minds so they will grow up to be good status quo adults. Chief Deakins, that's the very legitimate controversy that in desperation you feign doesn't exist.

School officials say pictures showing gangs or guns are not allowed in school.

Gang violence was but a small problem until government initiated prohibition.

Issue 101 -- Chaos House of Cards

How is it that people and society in general have prospered and increased their well being for decades yet the politicians and bureaucrats say we must have another 3,000 laws and regulations each year on top of the 100,000+ laws already on the books... That without them people and society face "disaster". People and society have done quite well without next year's 3,000 new federal laws and regulations. Why all of a sudden can people and society not continue to do quite well without them? The fact is, they'd be better off without 99% of them.

So who really benefits from 3,000 new laws and regulations each year? -- not to mention state laws and regulations. Politicians and bureaucrats. They create boogieman problems and with a complicit media towing their boogieman problems cast a net of false fear and unwarranted despair in people.

Quite literally, they create problems where none exist. They're sick in that they chose to frighten people and foist false despair on them and do that to collect their unearned paychecks. Their job security is predicated on deceiving as many people as possible.

It cost more than just two trillion dollars a year to fund government abuse. That abuse hinders people's development, especially children being indoctrinated rather than educated, harms the economy and is largely responsible for causing false booms and reality-adjusting bust cycles in markets.

Flushing that money down the toilet -- save for military defense spending -- would be better for individuals, their families and society. That's a different way of saying, can't we just pay congress to stay home and not leave their houses. Surely we'd be better off. Politicians and bureaucrats are sick and need your help.

Fully integrated honesty is key. That we have the government we have -- delivered by both Democrats and Republicans -- that has gone so far off course from the government the founders created, is a product of irrationality and dishonesty. Changing the laws via the system is almost completely useless. Politicians create dozens of unconstitutional laws before even considering repealing just one unconstitutional law.

That is not a system -- it's a quagmire of deception, irrationality, fraud and abuse.

Politics is not the solution -- politics is the problem.

Who are the parasites?
Who are the producers?
Ostracizing the parasitical value destroyers
Praise the value producers

Step one for helping politicians and bureaucrats:
Get your head out of their sandbox.

Step two: Demand that they address Issue 101. Do the same with the media.

Step three: Ostracize government officials that fail to honestly address Issue 101. Do the same with the media.

Step four: Champion science and business communities -- often under relentless attack by the government. For they create jobs, necessities, luxuries and ever greater advancements that support human life, family and society -- natural order.


51 posted on 04/26/2003 2:13:09 PM PDT by Zon
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To: TankerKC
Yeah, the military is JUST like a street gang.

Not JUST like one, but there are a few similarities. One things for sure, you'd better not F&#* with THAT gang. They don't even have to get angry to kick your ass. As a certain goup of Arab "home boys" just found out.

52 posted on 04/26/2003 2:30:35 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: mountaineer
This is now considered obscene, offensive and an inappropriate incitement to violence:

Don't think it was considered obscene, but the British certainly found it offensive and an incitement to violence. When the time came for violence though, this was the guy you wanted around.

53 posted on 04/26/2003 2:52:07 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Frapster
But asking a kid to follow a dress code that has valid reasons for existing is not too much to ask.

Nothning valid about banning images of guns, not most contexts at least. Gangs and violence, I guess, although the effort is pretty useless anyway, the "kids" know who is in which gangs anyway and uncalled for violence is in the heart, not on a T shirt.

54 posted on 04/26/2003 2:56:45 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Bush2000
"If the district allows this kid to wear this shirt, they'd also have to let kids wear shirts promoting gang violence."

HUH? You just proved yourself to be a friggin idiot. Honoring the legal and righteous military is hardly the same as honoring an illegal, immoral activity.

55 posted on 04/26/2003 2:59:25 PM PDT by lawdude
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To: halfdome
I don't understand your question. If you will read it over it says patriotic T-shirt. Now, what is your question?
56 posted on 04/26/2003 3:05:45 PM PDT by chainsaw
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To: chance33_98
The T-shirt depicts a monument at the Fort Lewis military base in Washington state. It shows "Iron mike" hoisting a rifle with a star in the background.

And how is that a bad thing...?

57 posted on 04/26/2003 3:14:57 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: Bush2000
If the district allows this kid to wear this shirt, they'd also have to let kids wear shirts promoting gang violence.

Not at all. One supports the military and the other actually does promote violence.

58 posted on 04/26/2003 3:16:32 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: Frapster
Find a shirt that doesn't hoist a large weapon. Put a flag on it. Say 'In God We Trust' and fight that issue.

I understand the sentiment, but the only reason I can see for banning this shirt is because it possibly promotes careless handling of guns.

59 posted on 04/26/2003 3:19:39 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: chance33_98
I'm a a loss for words. At least words that are fit to print. Idiots.
60 posted on 04/26/2003 3:20:14 PM PDT by Flyer (We like Dix!)
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