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Source: Army secretary resigns on Rumsfeld's demand
CNN.com ^ | 4/25/03

Posted on 04/25/2003 9:39:08 PM PDT by Hipixs

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON (CNN) --Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld demanded U.S. Army Secretary Tom White step down Friday, a senior Pentagon official said, a move that follows two years of contention between the two.

The official said Rumsfeld called White into his office and demanded his resignation, which White provided.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: army; crusader; rumsfeld; rumsfeldpinglist; thomaswhite
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To: Fred Mertz
You should never mention the words "rock" and "under" in a post that bears your name.
81 posted on 04/25/2003 11:04:02 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: chookter
I think we're in strong agreement (aren't we?). ;^)
82 posted on 04/25/2003 11:04:16 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
"I'd hesitate to contemplate what our military can accomplish if Rummy spent four hours a day giving press briefings."

I see. What's the pay for being a Rummy cheerleader?

You sound like a Kiltonoid: Your guy can do no wrong.
83 posted on 04/25/2003 11:04:27 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican ("hatemonger")
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To: Fred Mertz
As a defence secretary isn't that his job? I like what he said in the last press briefing. Why reporters wouldn't report what's happening insteading of what is going to happen?

That's been my gripe for the longest, reporters constantly trying to divine the next moves, and editorializing the news.

Considering his job it might have become a hazard of the position, not to say anything that could or may jeopardize the next missions. You have to admit Fred, the reporters that are in the briefings have so much animosity toward him and this administration, I wouldn't give an inch for them to mangle in their daily writeups.
84 posted on 04/25/2003 11:04:27 PM PDT by swheats
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To: chookter
White was top shelf.

You and I can't criticize him. But Rummy (the incompetent) can.

LOL
85 posted on 04/25/2003 11:04:28 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: PatrioticAmerican
'A firing'... Really?!

As far as I can tell, White resigned. That Rummy asked him to is speculation. My point holds.

86 posted on 04/25/2003 11:04:33 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
I don't get it.

Finally some good solid truth.

87 posted on 04/25/2003 11:05:22 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: 68skylark; Fred Mertz; justshe
He just oversaw one of the most lopsided military victories in the history of the world. I'm sorry if that's not up to your standards, but Secretary Rumsfeld more than meets my expectations for a Secretary of Defense.

It was also one of the most lopsided confrontations in military history, on a par with Grenada, or Panama.

Sorry, 68skylark, but facts is facts.
Iraq was totally outclassed by the most powerful, most advanced military coalition in history.
It didn't really put up much of a fight. It has shown more resistance after the actual war, in the form of hit and run guerrilla tactics and terrorist attacks than the formal military did.
The Government Leaders deserted, followed closely by the military leaders, leaving a ground force with outdated and poorly maintained equipment and forcibly drafted, untrained soldiers and no air support to fight us.

Sorry, justshe, you can call it a brilliant military victory if you want, but it was only due to the fact there was very little to no resistance.
IMHO, concerted study will find uses for some of the tactics that were used, but just as many serious strategic and tactical mistakes were made as well.
It was part choice, partly luck that we met such an inferior force in combat, that those mistakes were not exploited, resulting in real damage to the campaign and massive casualties to our forces.

Sorry, Fred Mertz, but Rummy's not an idiot.
Like the president, he kept his nose out of the war part, and just made sure he had the right people running it, and also, making sure this was not a military branch competition, but a cooperative effort.
Likewise, he had to deal with congress, the media, and hew to the requirements set forth by the president, while dealing with a decidedly antagonistic state department.
I think Rummy has done a pretty good job, but it was made much easier by Iraq's lack of resistance.
A quick and decisive victory makes everyone look good.

I hope it never happens, but I withhold judgement as to the total outcome until we meet a serious opponent.
North Korea may be next, or Syria, or we may find ourselves in a real test, like mainland China.(response to a N.Korean campaign)

Make no mistake, I supported this war, and not just for the politically expedient reasons stated by the administration.
I knew the WMD argument might be hard to prove.
If I had been Saddam, I would have totally committed the nation to verification, and been cleared by weapons inspectors as early as 1993-4.
Once cleared, I would have been free to use ALL my un-sanctioned oil reserves for rebuilding my military and re-consolidating my power in the middle east.
But Saddam was (is?) a megalomaniac, and unable to think rationally.

I wanted Saddam out because he was (is?) EVIL.
A sadistic, murderous bastard with no right to live.
An aspiring Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc.. SCUM.
That was all the reason I need(ed) to remove him. (with prejudice.)
Likewise other SCUM that keep their "subjects" in a living hell. ( N.Korea, Zimbabwe just two examples )

Anyway, just my thoughts on your "debate" concerning Rummy and the war.
Not all as great as some of you made it out to be, but not as bad either.

88 posted on 04/25/2003 11:05:50 PM PDT by Drammach
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To: Iwo Jima
While anyone is free to disagree with Rumsfeld or anyone else about any decision which has been made, to declare Rumsfeld an "idiot" is to expose one's self as that very thing.

As I say, I've yet to hear any active duty military person who has anything but highest praise for Rummy, and if the troops think he's doing a great job, that means a lot more to me than someone on a web forum saying he's an idiot.

89 posted on 04/25/2003 11:05:54 PM PDT by Amelia (Tag line? What tag line?)
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To: swheats
I'm betting doing those pressers is the LAST thing Rumsfield wants to do. But it comes with the job.
90 posted on 04/25/2003 11:06:20 PM PDT by justshe (Eliminate Freepathons! Become a monthly donor.)
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To: chookter
"generals are pogues"

Zero disagreement there, and that started long before Klintoon.
91 posted on 04/25/2003 11:06:23 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican ("hatemonger")
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To: PatrioticAmerican
You sound like a Kiltonoid

Is that another name for a Scotsman?

92 posted on 04/25/2003 11:06:58 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Bad analogy PatAm. Rummy produces positive results; The 'Toon produced none.
93 posted on 04/25/2003 11:07:17 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: justshe
"But it comes with the job."

Since when? When was the last daily briefing SECDEF? What purpose does it serve? What is accomplished by them?
94 posted on 04/25/2003 11:07:22 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican ("hatemonger")
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To: cyncooper
It's a puzzle!
95 posted on 04/25/2003 11:07:24 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: PatrioticAmerican
The old supply line complaint. What problem there was was manufactured by the press and exagerated ad nauseum. It is still, I guess. Hard to find negatives about this undertaking. Talk about grasping at the invisible straw.

We were present for the whole war in living color and you expect anyone to believe it was anything but brilliant?

yitbos

96 posted on 04/25/2003 11:07:46 PM PDT by bruinbirdman (Buy low, sell high)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
You mean if someone challenges your opinion they automatically get assigned a 'Klintonoid' category by you?

How utterly convenient.
97 posted on 04/25/2003 11:08:16 PM PDT by justshe (Eliminate Freepathons! Become a monthly donor.)
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To: MEG33
I sometimes get confused about the mind set..or is it best to ignore ?

Ignore. I know there are a great number of ego driven old gaurd in the Pentagon who hates this reformer, not to mention Congressman on both sides of the aisle. I've read of GOPers who opening whine that he doesn't respect them enough.

Long story short, I've never said this before; this is the single worst arguement I've ever been in on FR. Talk about a lack of supported opinion. Yes, ignore.

98 posted on 04/25/2003 11:08:49 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ("As long as it takes...No. That's the answer to your question. As long as it takes." GWB)
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To: justshe
I wonder if he wears his hiking boots every briefing. I'd sure want to be anywhere else than answering Pam's questions. He manages to take it in stride.
99 posted on 04/25/2003 11:08:53 PM PDT by swheats
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To: Drammach
Sorry, Fred Mertz, but Rummy's not an idiot.

Yes he is.

100 posted on 04/25/2003 11:09:12 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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