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When Clones Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have Clones
Sierra Times ^ | April 24, 2003 | J. Neil Schulman

Posted on 04/24/2003 12:24:35 PM PDT by J. Neil Schulman

I’ve written for The Twilight Zone. Let me take you there.

It’s yearbook photo day for Springfield Junior High’s class of 2025. Jason’s been avoiding getting his picture taken. His teacher wonders why until she looks in a yearbook from a generation ago and finds a photo of a student who looks identical to Jason.

A mandatory reporter, Jason’s teacher phones authorities. They investigate, arrest Jason’s father for violation of the Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2003, and place Jason in a foster home.

This law isn’t science fiction. H.R. 534 has already been passed by the United States House of Representatives. A final vote on S. 245, the identical Senate version, is still pending.

The bills should be defeated. They haven’t been thought through.

Cloning Human Organs for Replacement

Cloning is a potential form of replacing failing human organs. Right now the only way to replace a failing kidney, liver, heart, or lung is to cannibalize the organ from another human being. In the case of an organ such as the heart, which a potential donor could not live without, this requires a newly dead human body to cannibalize.

There’s always much more need for replacement organs than there are donors. Sometimes doctors let a patient die rather than extend resuscitation efforts because they know they have a patient who needs an organ transplant. In other countries, people are murdered to cannibalize their organs and sell them to the highest bidder on the black market.

Cannibalizing organs from other people also entails the risk of rejection because of incompatibilities, not only for tissue-typing but also for gross anatomical mismatches. Cloning organs, once the science has been perfected, which requires letting the research continue to fruition, has the potential of taking a human being's own genetic material and growing perfect replacement organs which are fully compatible with their genetic makeup. It would not necessarily require any killing in order to produce such replacement organs because they might be grown right within the human body of the person who needs them.

Human cloning is potentially a far better solution to the problem of saving the lives of people dying from organ failure than engaging in latter-day human cannibalism.

Making Twin Children

A human clone -- more precisely, a baby that is the identical twin of only one parent -- will be no less a fully human individual than an identical twin brother or sister.

Having a twin child might be the only sort of healthy baby which a couple might be able to have, just as in vitro fertilization and surrogate motherhood have already given children to other couples with reproductive challenges.

Just as one example, if there is a genetically transmitted disease or defect that one spouse in a marriage carries, and the other spouse does not, a couple wishing children carrying their own natural traits currently have no options.

Growing a baby from the genes of only one parent, the defect-free one, would allow the couple to have a child of their own without going outside their marriage. The holiness of their marriage would therefore be preserved without bringing the genetic material from an outsider, possibly that of an unknown stranger, into the sanctity of their marriage, adulterating it.

Another Potential Alternative to Adoption

Currently a couple who have barriers to normal reproduction for a variety of reasons must either remain childless or graft a child from some other family into their own family and hope the transplant will work. The euphemism for this act of high charity and blind faith is "adoption."

Preserving a natural family line is not merely superstitious worship of blood. Adoption is a wonderful thing for some parents and some children, but adoption does not preserve a family’s natural traits. If a child with natural musical gifts is adopted by a family that sees no value in spending money on violin lessons for a four-year-old, we could lose the next Joshua Bell. Likewise, if a family of violin virtuosos adopts a child from a non-musical family, forcing a musical education on a child without the natural gifts to benefit from it may prove both frustrating for the parents and psychologically damaging to the child, whose true gifts may reside elsewhere, undiscovered.

Invasion of the Family by the State

It’s no business of the government to dictate to a family how to have children. Only the arrogant hubris of a dictatorial regime dares to interfere with the right of free human beings to self-determine their own reproduction. The State has no rightful business telling parents how to go about having their own babies. It is blatantly unAmerican.

The War Against Science, the War Against Conscience

Laws which cripple the ability of scientists to pursue research potentially beneficial to humanity are destructive of free inquiry, and law should apply only in those cases where one human being is violating the rights of another human being. Regardless of those who claim the mantle to know the mind of God, human cells or even organs are not human beings and do not have human rights. Kidneys do not have souls. Livers do not have souls.

It’s a theologically debatable question whether embryos have souls. Some religious traditions maintain that a soul does not even enter a human body until the baby takes its first breath. It is a form of religious coercion -- government by theocracy -- to allow one religion's or sect's article of faith to dictate matters of personal conscience to people of other beliefs. It is destructive to the fundamental values of a free society for law to replace individual conscience on matters which, for those who believe, can only be answered in prayer to the Almighty.

Left Behind

Moving beyond the theological basis for moral concerns about cloning, it is self annihilating for a society to outlaw an entire field of scientific research. A society which declares war on science is relegating itself to the dustbin of history. It is crippling its economic growth, its competitiveness, its spirit of adventure. It is cultural suicide. It is damning one's progeny. It is making the human mind a prisoner to the fears of the ignorant.

Perhaps we do not know how to clone a human being safely today. Banning cloning and cloning research guarantees that we will not know how to do so tomorrow. It is a form of antiscientific terrorism, a form of Ludditism.

It is also the Sin of Pride, because it assumes that when God gave human beings that He cloned in His image independent minds, He expected us never to attempt anything new with those independent minds.

Back Alley Clones

When clones are outlawed, only outlaws will have clones. In a back-alley abortion, there is no surviving baby who will live to wonder, like an illegal twin would have to worry, like Jason, that when their yearbook photo is compared to their parent's high-school yearbook photo, it will lead to the parent's imprisonment for a Reproduction Violation.

Will the Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2003 lead to a future where we have orphanages and foster homes filled with displaced twins treated as second-class citizens because one of their parents went overseas or to an underground clinic to obtain an illegal pregnancy?

Who Ya Gonna Call?

Isn't it strange that when it comes to trying to figure out the ethical and practical problems that exist in the future, nobody in Congress even bothers asking the people who spend more time than anyone else thinking about the future -- science fiction writers? I'm a science fiction writer. I explored the ethics of cloning technology in my novel, The Rainbow Cadenza, which was first published twenty years ago.

No Congressional representative or senator has ever asked me to give testimony before a House or Senate committee.

People with no imagination should not be in charge of putting a red light on our future. I’m not saying introducing a fundamental new way of having babies should be green-lighted. But can’t a free society agree to an amber light and proceed with caution?


In addition to having written for The Twilight Zone, J. Neil Schulman is author of the Prometheus-award-winning science-fiction novel, The Rainbow Cadenza, which explores in detail the ethics of new biotechnology such as cloning. His newest novel is the comic theological fantasy, Escape from Heaven.

Copyright © 2003 by J. Neil Schulman. All rights reserved.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: biotechnology; clone; cloning; ethics; medical; organ; reproductive; rights; transplants
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To: Skywalk
So who will make the decision on when to end someones life ?
41 posted on 04/24/2003 3:41:03 PM PDT by John Lenin (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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To: Poohbah
LOL

I'm not getting where you're referring to creating human beings(with or without programmed defects.)

Are you referring to the current use of embryos in cloning?
If that is the case, then I won't disagree with you.

However, I'm speaking of cloning of material, similar to taking DNA from blood or an organ or whatever and using that to clone organs or limbs even(with stem cells)

Now, I realize that to get to that stage of cloning technology, embryos and their stem cells are of importance to researchers, but I don't believe that is the ONLY way.

What I'm referring to is impractical now, but need not be impossible forever.

Would you still be opposed to THAT type of cloning(wherein no human was created.)

But then, it seems you think that anything that isn't part of your body that's cloned from original material is another human being. I don't see how that's the case, unless it is an embryo or fetus.
42 posted on 04/24/2003 3:45:31 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Skywalk
The brain is what makes us truly human, so if they can make cloned bags without brains(and other non-essential parts) I don't see the problem, though it would be grotesque.

Ah, but what is human? We now have defined that an unborn child is not "human" and can be killed for fun and profit. There are those who believe that there is a right to kill the handicapped because they are not "human"

Now you want to create something else that is not “human” and can be killed at your will.

Now that is sick.

If you make a clone it is nothing more then a late born twin. And as such they have all rights and responsibilities inherent to that humanness.

Sorry but I will fight to the end to prevent the creation of more people to be used and thrown away like so much garbage.

43 posted on 04/24/2003 3:46:06 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (AKA Princess Angelia Contessa Louisa Fransca Banana Fana Bo Bisca the Fourth.)
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To: John Lenin
Who makes that decision now? LOL

You know these arguments sound like gun grabber or lefty style rationalizations.

Does someone make the decision in this era of extended lifespans(via sanitation, transportation and medical technology/knowledge) to end a life, or does it end when its time(or through accident or murder?)

Are there risks to extending lifespans or letting little kids live who need cloned organs? Yeah, sure there are. But if I'm not mistaken there is an inherent risk with discovering that "germs" are responsible for illness. As soon as that was confirmed, the race for biological weapons was on. Surely THAT is a far greater threat to humanity than cloned material.
44 posted on 04/24/2003 3:48:44 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
That's because you assume the worst about my statement.

If they can one day take a sample of DNA, say from your blood, turn off all the coding that makes something HUMAN, and grow cloned organs(either inside pigs or vats or whatever) how is that discarding human life?

How is any of this similar to killing the disabled?
45 posted on 04/24/2003 3:50:28 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: J. Neil Schulman
bump for later reading....
46 posted on 04/24/2003 3:52:40 PM PDT by proud American in Canada ("We are a peaceful people. Yet we are not a fragile people.")
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To: J. Neil Schulman
I was with you until you dropped that adoption bs. I'm going out on a limb here and *assume* you don't know squat about adoptions (yeah, yeah, can't wait for the required reply that you come from a long line of adoptees). Getting the gene mix just right for the second generation Beethoven is not guaranteed through the natural process.

You stated, "If a child with natural musical gifts is adopted by a family that sees no value in spending money on violin lessons for a four-year-old, we could lose the next Joshua Bell. Likewise, if a family of violin virtuosos adopts a child from a non-musical family, forcing a musical education on a child without the natural gifts to benefit from it may prove both frustrating for the parents and psychologically damaging to the child, whose true gifts may reside elsewhere, undiscovered. Hogwash! The same could be said about bio parents. About all bio parents can hope for is the kid inherits some semblance of Aunt Gertie's petite button nose rather than grandpappy's honker.

In case you haven't suspected, we have an adopted child. We're thankful the great medical profession couldn't find the problem with the natural way, because we probably would have created who knows what and we wouldn't have found our child. Yes, OUR child. Call it a cosmic blip or her guardian angel was a doofus, but this child couldn't be a better product of our family tree. You tell me why she's the spitting image of my granny and has her likes and mannerisms to the point of humming the same little made up ditties never mind granny died before this child was born. Even the family naysayers are convinced there's been a reincarnation. I've seen other adoptive kids who have the same physical characteristics as their adoptive parents and bio kids who looked more like the mailman.

BTW, back to your musical genius scenario. Just throwing out suppositions, but I imagine adoptive parents are more willing to and encourage their children to explore their true gifts and potentials more than bio parents who have preconceived notions of which instrument little Johnny must play.

To add my .02 to the cloning issue: cloned organs - ok, cloned humans - ok since I agree with you that they wouldn't be any more alike than twins and even less so because the clone would be growing up in a new era.

47 posted on 04/24/2003 3:55:20 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Skywalk
But then, it seems you think that anything that isn't part of your body that's cloned from original material is another human being. I don't see how that's the case, unless it is an embryo or fetus.

That's the problem: it IS an embryo or fetus.

Your proposal is so far beyond "speculative," it's somewhere around "polywater," "cold fusion," and "unobtanium."

48 posted on 04/24/2003 3:55:22 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; bulldogs; Charlie OK; cgk; ...
ProLife Ping! If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.
49 posted on 04/24/2003 3:55:57 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (God Bless Michael Specher and those who wait for him.)
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To: MHGinTN
MHG

I can see where you're coming from if you're talking about growing embryos and letting them develop so they can be dismembered later.

I know that what I'm talking about is not CURRENTLY possible, but wouldn't a ban disallow even that? That's what I'm against.

And to cut through the garbage, while I DO value human life, I guess I tend to see a lot of hypocrisy on that issue too?

I'm no lefty, but in terms of human costs, how many human beings has the US killed in the last 100 years? How many have even the most civilized nations killed in that same stretch? Yet we find all kinds of rationalizations for those deaths.

I just think that the "Sanctity" of life is somewhat selective with a lot of people.

For instance there are those, even on this board, that have talked about birth control as murder. When people start asserting such things, essentially comparing a POSSIBLY fertilized egg not taking root in the uterine wall to killing a baby or child or adult I don't know if there's a common frame of reference for discussion.
50 posted on 04/24/2003 3:59:12 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Poohbah
"Unobtainium"--That's classic. LOL

Maybe it is, but I'd hate for research into that area to be eliminated SIMPLY because human genetic material was involved. Perhaps a simple rewrite of the bill would help clarify the issue.

51 posted on 04/24/2003 4:05:19 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: J. Neil Schulman
so - if we make a clone for organ transplants how is that not cannibalism?
52 posted on 04/24/2003 4:11:20 PM PDT by Frapster (Finish a Marathon - Change Your Life)
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To: Skywalk
Until we're able to reliably produce ONLY pieces parts of complex animals, this is one area of research that we simply should not touch.

You cannot buy relief for one person's infirmity at the expense of another person's infirmity.
53 posted on 04/24/2003 4:13:15 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: J. Neil Schulman; Skywalk
Dear Mr. Schulman,

This is one of the most ingenious works in defense of cloning I have ever read. It is even on par with my own essay on the matter at http://www.geocities.com/rationalargumentator/Morality_of_Cloning.html. As such, I would like to non-commercially reprint it on my online publication, The Rational Argumentator, a journal advocating the Western principles of Reason, Rights, and Progress, at http://www.geocities.com/rationalargumentator/index.html.

As a supplement to the article, I would also like to reprint Mr. Skywalk's insightful comment concerning cloning and the fear that "it might fall into the wrong hands." Mr. Skywalk, yours was a thought-provoking and absolutely logical response to what amounts today to a public scare. Please also grant your permission for this reprint.

I await your responses via Free Republic Mail, with any additional biographical and contact information that you may wish to include on The Rational Argumentator.

I am
G. Stolyarov II
54 posted on 04/24/2003 4:17:02 PM PDT by G. Stolyarov II (http://www.geocities.com/rationalargumentator/index13.html)
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To: Skywalk
What make something human? We have spent the past 6,000 years debating that question. I know by drawing on past experience that the moment we define someone as "not human" very bad things begin to happen, not just to the so called "non-human" but on a deeper level as well.

We have mostly managed to get past that with the realization that we are all human. Now you want to "turn off" what makes us human. You want to remove the "soul" if you will. But the problem is that unless you know what it is you can not turn it off and I doubt that there is even an off switch.

So what you want is to create a human that is just different enough from you that you can justify killing it to yourself.

How does this connect to killing the disabled? Because I hear those same rationalizations from those who advocate killing them for their organs or using them in experiments.

They don't see them as human. You want to make clone that is disabled so it won't be human.

55 posted on 04/24/2003 4:20:12 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (AKA Princess Angelia Contessa Louisa Fransca Banana Fana Bo Bisca the Fourth.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
It’s a theologically debatable question whether embryos have souls. Some religious traditions maintain that a soul does not even enter a human body until the baby takes its first breath.

This is an ultimately irrelevant point, since the consequences of human cloning reach far beyond the embryonic stage. No one has the right to torture another living being. And that is exactly what you will do if you attempt to clone a human with current cloning technology. In the attempt to gestate a single clone successfully through to full term, for example, many fetuses will malform in utero and will probably be aborted - many at stages of development when they can experience pain.

Those deformed babies who are not aborted will most likely live shortened, incomplete lives in various forms of pain and anguish. To support allowing someone to perpetrate such a selfish, cruel act in the name of their "reproductive rights" is barbarism.

56 posted on 04/24/2003 4:24:46 PM PDT by BearArms
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I disagree that I am trying to subvert or alter what it means to be human. There is SIGNIFICANT debate about what rights the unborn have, and at what time they are accorded those rights. I am pro-life to an extent, but find arguments that a fertilized egg is a human being ridiculous. We all make distinctions, as we must in an imperfect world. We make them during war, we make them when advocating(possibly) the use of higher order mammals in medical experimentation and we make them during the development of life in the womb.

Women suffer from miscarriages all the time, and often the sense of loss corresponds more to visions of a future rather than the miscarriage itself. It also depends on how far in the gestation period the woman finds herself. This roughly corresponds to the increasing rights and value accorded a fetus and then a baby during pregnancy.

The problem with defining a human being as SIMPLY a fertilized human egg is that it excludes other considerations. An exemplar of this moral quandary is the debate over the anencephalic baby nearly a decade ago. The parents wanted to give the organs to needy babies as there was no hope for a future human life from their child, but the court blocked this action and the baby died along with those awaiting its organs.

The principal matter in that case was that the baby was INCAPABLE of EVER developing into a real human being, as it lacked a brain. This was not a retarded child, or even a comatose one, but one that was incapable of being self-aware at ANY point.

So what ARE the criteria for protecting a life? Certainly we can agree that butchering a cat for fun is wrong. But is advancing cancer research using cats, sometimes causing their death, wrong? Is an egg or embryo worthy of MORE protection than chimpanzees? Certainly the great apes are capable of self-awareness, as whales and dolphins seem to be. Can we still justify causing their deaths for our benefit and if so, what makes them less worthy of protection than a human embryo?

If possessing human genetic material is the baseline, then we set ourselves up for genocidal wars against other forms of intelligent life in the universe, for they will lack such material and as such, other criteria must be taken into account or their use and exploitation will be justified.
57 posted on 04/24/2003 5:02:09 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: playball0
The last thing generals would want is for an enemy to be able to capture one of their cloned soldiers and be able to know, by examining its prisoner, the threshold of pain, reaction to heat and cold, and other natural vulnerabilities of the entire cloned army -- and genetically engineer a virus specific to that clone, which wipes out the entire enemy while not affecting one's own army in the slightest.
58 posted on 04/24/2003 5:20:44 PM PDT by J. Neil Schulman
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To: Poohbah
Poohbah wrote: "The problem with "cloning organs" is that the only foreseeable technique for doing so is to create a human being solely for having a ready supply of spares."

That you can't foresee alternative techniques doesn't mean others also can not. Some people have more imagination than others. Look to the high end of the imagination bell curve.
59 posted on 04/24/2003 5:25:41 PM PDT by J. Neil Schulman
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To: MHGinTN
MHGinTN wrote: "Oh my, so many faulty assertions and so little time to refute them,"

If would have been nice if you had refuted any of them. You didn't. Instead, you simply stated your opinion that the existence or nonexistence of souls -- that is, consciousness that can exist apart from our carnal bodies -- is irrelevant, then substituted for that discussion your own discussion of embryology. Which makes your entire discussion off topic and non-responsive if human consciousness is distinct from the carnal body, in its embryonic stages or otherwise.

60 posted on 04/24/2003 5:41:14 PM PDT by J. Neil Schulman
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