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No weapons detected at 80 sites on top 100 list
Newark Star Ledger ^ | 4/24/03 | PAULINE JELINEK (AP)

Posted on 04/24/2003 4:36:59 AM PDT by Incorrigible

No weapons detected at 80 sites on top 100 list

Thursday, April 24, 2003

BY PAULINE JELINEK
ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON -- American forces are changing their search strategy after coming up empty at most of the top suspected weapons sites in Iraq, officials said yesterday.

And the White House appeared to be trying to scale back expectations that weapons of mass destruction will be found.

Troops on the ground have searched more than 80 sites that prewar U.S. intelligence judged the most likely hiding places for chemical and biological weapons as well as evidence of an Iraqi nuclear program, Defense Department officials said on condition of anonymity.

There are more than 1,000 suspected sites but 100 or so were the searchers' top priority.

Some analysis is pending on some substances found. But finding no stockpiles of chemical or biological agents after more than a month into the campaign, teams are now setting aside the search list and deciding where to go more on the basis of new information from Iraqis, three defense officials said yesterday.

"We did have several hundred sites that we had some history of intelligence on that we were going to exploit," said Lt. Gen. David McKiernan, commander of land forces in Iraq. "This regime over the last decade has been pretty good at hiding material and moving it around, so it was no surprise to any of us that many of these sites that we've already exploited have not necessarily turned up the material."

Two other officials said that in recent days officials have realized the list is of questionable value because of the ability of the Iraqis to destroy or remove weapons and equipment.

Although U.S. officials say the war is not over, more forces are headed home. The aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman and its battle group of 11 ships has been released from wartime duty and is scheduled to arrive at its home port of Norfolk, Va., in May, officials said yesterday. The Truman left Norfolk Dec. 5 and originally was to complete its sea duty in early June.

The Truman is now in the Mediterranean Sea, along with the USS Theodore Roosevelt carrier battle group. Two other carriers, the USS Kitty Hawk and the USS Constellation, left the Persian Gulf last week. The only carrier now in the Gulf is the USS Nimitz.

Also, two of the three Marine Expeditionary Units that fought in Iraq are preparing to head home. The 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit will soon be headed back to Camp Lejeune, N.C., and the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit will follow a short time later en route home to Camp Pendleton, Calif., officials said. Both units have about 2,200 people.

The sites in Iraq searched for chemical and biological weapons have included mosques, homes, factories and government ministries. In some cases teams arrived to find buildings completely empty -- swept of any evidence, one official said.

One search team also interviewed an Iraqi scientist last week who said some weapons were moved to Syria and others were destroyed before the war. His account has not yet been verified.

McKiernan called the search "ad hoc" now, meaning troops will move on information culled from various intelligence, which could include captured Iraqis, documents and other sources.

Another official said the Pentagon still intends eventually to search all of the more than 1,000 possible sites, which he called "guesses" based on satellite data, other surveillance, information gathered by United Nations weapons inspectors over the years, from Iraqi defectors and elsewhere.

The prewar list did not reflect an intelligence failure, he said. But rather, moving to the new system is a natural evolution of the hunt, now that American officials are inside Iraq and can speak to Iraqis who have knowledge of weapons programs.

The existence of weapons of mass destruction -- and goal of disarming Iraq -- were the mains reasons given by the administration for the war, which did not get U.N. approval.

Hans Blix, the U.N.'s chief weapons inspector, commented Tuesday on the lack of U.S. findings.

"It is conspicuous that so far they have not stumbled upon anything," he said in New York.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Tuesday there was "no question we remain confident that WMD (weapons of mass destruction) will found."

Yesterday he said the president still believes weapons exist there. Asked what will happen if none are found, he said "the chances of success depend not on finding something by bumping into it," but on information provided by Iraqis involved in the programs.

Asked if he meant searches might not find the weapons but rather some kind of evidence they previously existed, Fleischer said: "There are no changes in the American position. We have high confidence that Iraq did indeed have weapons of mass destruction ... that indeed will be found in whatever form it is."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hansblix; mckiernan
Freedom is not good enough for some.

U.S. faces repercussions if weapons are not found

1 posted on 04/24/2003 4:36:59 AM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Incorrigible
You know I had been deer hunting for 10 years before I bagged my first buck. I knew the woods were full of them but I was never where they were. By our media standards there are no deer in the woods. Most people have never seen a baby pigeon, but they do exist.
2 posted on 04/24/2003 4:48:28 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Saddam's Hiding In Tikrit He's Eating Another Daisy)
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To: Flurry
...I knew the woods were full of them but I was never where they were.  By our media standards there are no deer in the woods.

Good point.  I heard Charles Krauthammer respond to a cynical middle eastern press guy about WMD in Iraq:  "Hans Blix had five months, we've had five weeks, get back to me after five months".

What ever happened to investigative reporting anyway?  The powderpuff reporters sit at desks, pull garbage off newswires and then pick up the phone to get statements from flunkies ("on the condition of anonymity") and cite nonsense under the guise of "sources say".  

And remind me, we should pay attention to the media's speculation because....??

3 posted on 04/24/2003 5:31:30 AM PDT by GirlShortstop
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To: GirlShortstop
What ever happened to investigative reporting anyway?

Given the poltical leanings of the lamestream media, the only investigative journalism they'll do is something that uncovers information that will harm George Bush politically. Anything else is a non-starter. So-called journalists today aren't so much interested in reporting information as pushing an agenda, which is shaped by left-wing political ideology. Oh, there are a few exceptions, John Stossel, many of the FOX News reporters, etc., so I should be careful not to be too egregious in generalizing. But, by and large, today's media are, as you note, quite lazy, both physically and intellectually, and will, for the most part, toe the liberal line.

4 posted on 04/24/2003 5:41:05 AM PDT by chimera
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To: GirlShortstop
Pay attention because it is amusing. In many cases it can be a reverse barometer of the truth.
5 posted on 04/24/2003 5:47:11 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Saddam's Hiding In Tikrit He's Eating Another Daisy)
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To: Flurry
Saddam and his henchmen were weapons of mass destruction.
6 posted on 04/24/2003 5:49:28 AM PDT by IC Ken
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To: IC Ken
Taking an environmetalist's stand for a moment. Have you noticed the lack of adult caterpillars lately? It's like they get to a certain size and just disappear. I suspect global worming.
7 posted on 04/24/2003 5:55:44 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Saddam's Hiding In Tikrit He's Eating Another Daisy)
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To: chimera; Flurry
...the only investigative journalism they'll do is something that uncovers information that will harm George Bush politically. ... So-called journalists today aren't so much interested in reporting information as pushing an agenda...

I couldn't agree more with your post Chimera, including the broad brush inapplicability to the handful who work dilligently on investigative reporting.

   Pay attention because it is amusing. In many cases it can be a reverse barometer of the truth.

Flurry, self-admittedly, I have a short fuse when it comes to slant, and the absence of, or questionable, facts.  It's a *good day* when I can laugh at it; the reverse barometer is an interesting approach.    FReegards.
8 posted on 04/24/2003 6:02:42 AM PDT by GirlShortstop
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To: Flurry
You know I had been deer hunting for 10 years before I bagged my first buck. I knew the woods were full of them but I was never where they were. By our media standards there are no deer in the woods. Most people have never seen a baby pigeon, but they do exist.

When our resident moron at work walked up to me and smirked, "Where are the WMDs?" I replied:

I will hide a golf ball on this site (We work at a 3400-acre plant) and let's see how long it takes you to find it, without having to worry about someone trying to shoot you or to blow you up!

His reply?
"Well, I'll claim that there is a golf ball on the site and you find it.

After I stopped laughing I said "exactly!", as he wandered off with a puzzled expression on his face, and still without a clue...

9 posted on 04/24/2003 6:09:29 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Publius6961
Good point. Buffoons abound.
10 posted on 04/24/2003 6:23:03 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Saddam's Hiding In Tikrit He's Eating Another Daisy)
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To: Incorrigible
The UN looked for 8 years for stuff that Saddam admitted he possessed. Now they expect us to find them in 30 days.
11 posted on 04/24/2003 6:25:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Incorrigible; AppyPappy
"No weapons detected at 80 sites on top 100 list"

This headline could just as easily read:

20% Of Most Likely WMD Sites Remain To Be Searched

12 posted on 04/24/2003 6:29:47 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: GirlShortstop
The bad part is there are a lot of people who think journalists have standards. These sheep take everything they hear as accurate. But alas there is no way to teach a pig to fly. I have this rule, believe nothing you hear, half of what you see, and nothing on the internet. Actually you just have to assess everything.
13 posted on 04/24/2003 6:35:09 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Saddam's Hiding In Tikrit He's Eating Another Daisy)
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And the White House appeared to be trying to scale back expectations that weapons of mass destruction will be found.

The Ministry of Truth is on the job, I see. "Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Therefore Oceania was always at war with Eastasia."

Eu-phoo-isms such as "scaling back expectations" (rather than its more accurate version, "kicking sand over past lies") used to be more subtle.

14 posted on 04/24/2003 6:38:09 AM PDT by Greybird ("War is the health of the State." -- Randolph Bourne)
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[...] teams are now setting aside the search list and deciding where to go more on the basis of new information from Iraqis, three defense officials said yesterday.

Well, so much for all of that -- how did Powell describe it before the U.N.? -- intelligence from highly placed sources that could not be revealed lest they be compromised. More lies, doubly compounded. Seems like a lifetime ago that a worthwhile former general was forced into such public mendacity, doesn't it?

Between this and the FBI and CIA dropping stitches in their anti-terrorist blanket-weaving before Nine Eleven, just what the hell are we getting for the money poured into them? And without oversight as to details on Capitol Hill?

15 posted on 04/24/2003 6:44:12 AM PDT by Greybird ("War is the health of the State." -- Randolph Bourne)
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To: Greybird
Let's look at just one weapon.

In 1998, the Hussein regime had enough botulinum toxin to kill every human now living. They not only didn't ever provide proof that they destroyed it, they never really made any specific claim to have done so. Just Baghdad Bob telling us that Iraq no longer had WMDs. So...

If Bush and Powell are liars, what did the Iraqis do with the botulinum?

And do you really believe the Hussein regime's protestations of innocence above the word of Secretary Powell?

16 posted on 04/24/2003 4:32:47 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (God Bless Michael Specher and those who wait for him.)
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To: Incorrigible
Freedom is not good enough for some.

Freedom is not the original reason we went to war against Iraq, if you recall.

17 posted on 04/27/2003 10:57:29 PM PDT by lurky
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To: AppyPappy
The UN looked for 8 years for stuff that Saddam admitted he possessed. Now they expect us to find them in 30 days.

If you recall, the Bush admin very forcefully said it had incontrovertibale evidence of WMD. The longer the admin holds out, the more we look guilty of deception. And when the admin finally does get around to presenting the evidence, the conspiracy theories of "planting" evidence will be in full bloom.

18 posted on 04/27/2003 11:03:24 PM PDT by lurky
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