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SANTORUM UNDER FIRE----MUST HELP HIM
Chris Tremoglie

Posted on 04/22/2003 12:41:35 AM PDT by U.S.Zorro

“We Hold These Truths to be Self-Evident” By: Chris Tremoglie

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

This is the First Amendment of the Constitution. As we all know it entitles us Americans to certain liberties and freedoms that are not granted to other people around the world. This is an Amendment for ALL Americans - even government and legislative officials. So when Rick Santorum makes a comment about homosexuals and he gets asked to resign because of them, I ask you, where is the Freedom of Speech? Similar to the attacks on Reggie White several years ago for comments depicting homosexuality as a sin in certain religions, the same unwarranted attacks have befallen on Mr. Santorum. Again, I reiterate, don't all Americans have Freedom of Speech? Unless “words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create clear and present danger” Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes ruled in (Schenk v. United States) 1919, all Americans are entitled to freedom of speech. That is unless the topic or speech of homosexuality. It seems people are allowed to be pro-homosexual but if someone raises thought or feelings against homosexuality, or dare I say anti-homosexuality, one is castrated and targeted as an enemy and thus apparently loses all their constitutional freedoms. It will make the most non-violent peacenik turn downright ugly. Pardon me a second while I put on my Eminem CD. “May I have your attention please: will the real homosexuals please stand up?” Contrary to what people over at GLAAD may believe, people are entitled to be anti-homosexual. As I recall, homosexuality is a sin in the bible and therefore by expressing sentiment AGAINST homosexuality, one is doing nothing wrong. It seems as if just being accepted is not enough. The homosexual population now wants special consideration to wipe out freedom of speech and religion if it is against them. The people at GLAAD want it to be okay to stand and shout, “Hey, I am a homosexual” but want to hush those who say “Hey, I am a heterosexual and proud of it.” With all of the current events recently, I did not know our First Amendment privileges had been altered to say only positive things about everything. I didn’t realize that a Marxist utopia overtook our capitalist Republic. Our country has not changed and our principles have stood. Our country was founded as a Judeo-Christian country and since its inception, has expanded to include many different religions. In one religion, adultery is a sin. In another religion, not facing Mecca to pray daily is a sin. In another religion, eating pork is a sin. And in another religion, homosexuality IS a sin. As it says on their web page, “The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) is dedicated to promoting and ensuring fair, accurate and inclusive representation of people and events in the media as a means of eliminating homophobia and discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation.” This is all well and good no matter how many people disagree or agree with homosexuality. When a United States Senator is asked to resign because he is adhering to his religion that is wrong. When a Pro-Football Hall of Famer is criticized for doing nothing more then speaking his mind, giving his constitutionally protected opinions, and abiding by his religion, it is reverse discrimination in its NASTIEST form. A homosexual is a human just like everyone else and is entitled to the same unalienable rights as everyone else. However, to expect everyone to like and promote homosexuality even when it goes against religious principles, that is where the line MUST be drawn. Promoting equality yes; promoting homosexual ADVANCEMENT – no!


TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Delaware; US: New Jersey; US: Pennsylvania
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To: alwaysconservative

It was a dumb thing to say and if this doesn't sink him he will be lucky.
21 posted on 04/22/2003 5:32:52 AM PDT by fml (freedom begins with W!)
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To: LloydofDSS
Right. Santorum is a very religious person and when he made these remarks, I believe he is coming from a different level than most people who read them.

You could add bestiality,pedophilia and other deviant behavior to his point of,"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual (gay) sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything,"

Where does it stop? At one time gay sex and adultery was considered unacceptable in society. I shudder to think that as the years go by, our grandchildren's society will find pedophilia acceptable because some lawyer was successful in arguing that it is private behavior when done in private.

Santorum should have been clearer that society,based upon morals and beliefs, needs to reject behavior it deems unacceptable, not the government.

22 posted on 04/22/2003 5:32:53 AM PDT by capydick (The triumph of evil is short)
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To: U.S.Zorro
Rick will always have my support.
23 posted on 04/22/2003 5:40:10 AM PDT by linn37
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To: Russell Scott
All you have to do to get a lot of Republican senators to go south on us is for a Rat to threaten to call them "mean spirited".
24 posted on 04/22/2003 5:43:54 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: U.S.Zorro
I'll leave it to himself, his constituents and supporters to defend or betray him.

For my part, I will never disagree with any provision of law that invites the government onto my property without just cause.

Legislation regulating or determining "proper" forms of sex of any kind between consenting adults is something I can never support, because the door that it opens, literally the bedroom door of every person in America, is one that is best kept closed. Do these people think we live in an Islamic state or something? This is America!

I also don't want them searching my home at random, or tapping my phone. Guess that makes me a "deviant".

It is wise to ensure that ones' political views are consistent and reasonable. I see a great deal of hypocrisy in many of the statements I have read above.

If you truly support liberty in America, you cannot possibly support what this man is saying.
25 posted on 04/22/2003 5:53:59 AM PDT by Imal (May the Treachery of France Never Be Forgotten, and Forever Be Rewarded in Kind)
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To: Imal
"For my part, I will never disagree with any provision of law that invites the government onto my property without just cause."

Make that: I will never -agree- with any provision of law that invites the government onto my property without just cause. :^P

26 posted on 04/22/2003 5:56:16 AM PDT by Imal (May the Treachery of France Never Be Forgotten, and Forever Be Rewarded in Kind)
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To: risk
Why defend Santorum for what he said? His comments were over the top. He infers that adultry should be illegal. I respect his opinions here, but they're not defensible in anything but religious, absolutist terms.

Well, you are not exactly correct on your assessment of what he said. If we are going to take him to task for what he said, it should be done accurately. It appears to me that he is equating sodomy with bigamy and polygamy, not with adultery as you state.

big·a·my n. The criminal offense of marrying one person while still legally married to another.
po·lyg·a·my n. The condition or practice of having more than one spouse at one time.

Your argument is not supported by what Santorum actually said and the definitions above. Of course you are not suggesting that bigamy and polygamy should be legal?

As for consensual sex between two adults of the same sex, it is a matter of drawing a line. Prostitution, should it be illegal? Homosexuality, should it be illegal? On the later, we have crossed a societal line. Homosexuality – its practice, not just about it - is taught in schools.

On adultry, we crossed the line a long time ago and on prostitution, one state, Nevada, crossed it quite some time ago.

That said, I understand what you are trying to say, that homosexuality between two consenting adults should not be illegal. I’m inclined to agree with you.

Santorum's position seems to be that homosexuality should be illegal and on that I would disagree with him. We already crossed that line and I don't see as how we can, or should go back.

Santorum is not "over the top" to have said it though. Roughly half the country will agree with him.

27 posted on 04/22/2003 5:59:48 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: risk
I Couldn't agree more. Santorum would regulate what people do in their own private bedroom. Frankly, Mr. Santorum, it's none of your beeswax.

Congress can outlaw homosexuality and even impose the death penalty for practicing it. People will still do it. America is not a nation that should have religious values imposed on those that do not want them. We do not live in a theocracy, contrary to many opinions. To vilify what people do in their own privacy using religious reasons makes the US no better than any Islamic dictatorship. Islamic dictatorships make the same arguments about home and family to justify their intolerace.
28 posted on 04/22/2003 6:32:08 AM PDT by DaGman
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To: DaGman
Thanks. There will be no pink triangles while I'm alive in this country.
29 posted on 04/22/2003 6:34:59 AM PDT by risk
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To: AAABEST
Borrowed from an earlier thread, but you get the idea...


30 posted on 04/22/2003 7:51:14 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
LOL
31 posted on 04/22/2003 7:52:09 AM PDT by LurkerNoMore!
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
trent lott call your office.........
32 posted on 04/22/2003 8:00:17 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth.....)
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To: LloydofDSS
You would legalize any acts? okay, so you want to legalize all drug use, bigamy and polygamy.
33 posted on 04/22/2003 9:54:43 AM PDT by WOSG (All Hail The Free Republic of Iraq! God Bless our Troops!)
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To: LloydofDSS
I agree with him. But I would not make it illegal for adults to engage in consensual acts in private. Such laws are impossible to enforce in a free country.

No they aren't! Somebody makes a complaint about it, and you enforce the law. The police would have no cause to snoop in anybody's house without a warrant to begin with.

Example, two sodomites buy a house next to yours and open up a "private" homosexual/S&M sex palace - just the environment you want next door to where your kids play. Right? Finding out what is going on there, you can file a complaint against the owners and have them convicted if the evidence is sufficient. Or a wife discovers her husband is off having homosexual sex on the side. Not only can she divorce him, but she should be able to have him imprisoned and fined, and he could lose any hope of visitation rights to his children. Treatment of adultery and other crimes against the marital contract should follow a similar procedure.

Nobody's freedom has been violated unless you think freedom includes fredom to sin.

Its a sick country that protects the freedom of homos and adulterers to be perverts and spread deadly contagious diseases, but refuses to uphold a clean and wholesome environment for children to live in.

34 posted on 04/22/2003 9:57:02 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: risk
He infers that adultry should be illegal.

Adultery IS illegal in many states.

Adulterers are not "private couples". They are people breaking a contract and sacred bond that is the basis of civilization. They should be punished.

Why don't religious conservatives focus on the more concrete threats to our social structure, such as gay marriage and adoption? I may be unpopular with my gay friends for suggesting this, but it's in their interest.

If sodomite conduct was still punished by penal sanctions like it should be, we wouldn't be having debates about fag adoption and fag marriages.

The government should stay out of the business of moderating people's consensual sex lives.

No, the stability and health of society requires it to get involved. This is why we have laws criminalizing statutory rape, prostitution, adultery, and sodomy. These laws promote healthy families and healthy people. There would not be a plague of AIDS, gonorhea, HPV, syphillis, herpes, genital warts and lice, etc. if it were not for people comitting these crimes.

35 posted on 04/22/2003 10:04:34 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: U.S.Zorro
Senator Santorum on Being Catholic and a Politician
36 posted on 04/22/2003 10:07:47 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Or a wife discovers her husband is off having homosexual sex on the side. Not only can she divorce him, but she should be able to have him imprisoned and fined, and he could lose any hope of visitation rights to his children. Treatment of adultery and other crimes against the marital contract should follow a similar procedure.

We don't live in an Islamic state, and I, for one, don't want to.

37 posted on 04/22/2003 10:08:12 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: risk
**His comments were over the top.**

Not!

Values check for you.
38 posted on 04/22/2003 10:09:38 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Badray
"I have a right to privacy and a right to be left alone, free of government interference in my life as long as I do not violate the rights of others. "

Harrumph... The "right to privacy" is an invention from the 1960s. It is not a real right, and has been use to create abuses of constitutional law and moral argumentation.

You have a right to your LIFE, LIBERTY and PROPERTY.
If you have a right to do something, you dont have a greater right to do it just because it is behind closed doors, and your rights to capitalism and free enterprise and speech and freedom of thought are far more fundamental than any right engage in specific sex acts, normal or deviant.
"privacy" is a whacked out LSD-inspired warping of our fundamental rights that we are better off throwing in the trash - it has given us evils like the 'right' to kill unborn humans etc.

That being said, it is correct that our rights are in effect limits on Governmental action and interference.

But there is a moral component here to natural rights:
You do not have a moral right to engage in any moral wrong (even if you might have a legal right to do it - eg say a lie, be rude in public, etc.), and the moral vision that restricts the ability to consider the moral consequences of actions undercuts the very argument FOR the natural rights of man, based as it is on mankind as a moral, reasoning being who has the capacity for correct judgments. So it is a double-edged sword - even a con-man can make it SEEM that he is not 'violating' anyone else's rights, if he fools the suckers well enough! This is not sophistry irrelevent to the current political debate, as the unborn human's cries cannot be loud enough when their life is destroyed in the name of "the right to privacy".

The original poster is right - the right to 'privacy' is not to be found in the Constitution, at all.



39 posted on 04/22/2003 10:10:52 AM PDT by WOSG (All Hail The Free Republic of Iraq! God Bless our Troops!)
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To: U.S.Zorro; *Catholic_list; father_elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; ...
Catholic Discussion Ping!

Please notify me via Freepmail if you would like to be added to or removed from the Catholic Discussion Ping list.

40 posted on 04/22/2003 10:12:08 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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