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'Avoid wearing of uniform' general warns local soldiers
San Antonio Express-News ^ | 13 April 2003 | Roddy Stinson

Posted on 04/13/2003 5:48:19 PM PDT by Lacey

"If possible, avoid wearing of the uniform when dining in public places." — From a "Protective Measures Awareness" notice sent to San Antonio's U.S. Army personnel by Maj. Gen. Darrel R. Porr on Friday

April 11, 2003, will be remembered as one of the saddest dates in Alamo City history.

Because of recent instances of harassment of uniformed personnel, Porr, the commanding general at Fort Sam Houston, felt compelled to warn the men and women who serve under him to use caution when traveling, shopping and dining in San Antonio.

"Two separate incidents against military personnel have occurred," Porr reported. "In the first incident, two males on the city's Northeast Side made threatening gestures and pounded on the car window of a drill sergeant and his spouse while they were on their way home.

"The second incident involved two sailors, in uniform, who were accosted by several males who said, 'You'd better not go to war,' as they departed a River Walk restaurant."

Porr provided this possible explanation for the hostile actions:

"There has been a significant increase of demonstrations throughout the United States in opposition to the ongoing U.S.-led military operations in Iraq.

"As individuals voice their opinions against military operations, they tend to direct their frustrations toward governmental and military symbols."

On receiving a copy of the notice from an anonymous e-mailer, I called Fort Sam to ask for more details about the incidents, in general, and the harassers, in particular.

A post spokesman indicated that more information was available, but declined "to go there."

He then made a point of emphasizing:

"Soldiers here in San Antonio have always proudly worn their uniform because of the support for the military.

"Previously, there has never been any perceived threat. This is quite unusual.

"Even during Vietnam, San Antonio was one community that supported the military forces.

"That's one reason the general put that notice out ... because (such harassment) is so unusual in this community."

The notice included cautions other than the warning not to wear uniforms when dining in San Antonio restaurants.

Porr also recommended:

"Be cognizant of people who gather and voice their sentiments against the military efforts in Iraq. Do not get involved."

"When in public facilities, soldiers should avoid conversations related to work or military operations in general."

"Always practice the 'Buddy System' when traveling."

"When in uniform, minimize the number of stops when traveling from home to work or vice versa. Wear civilian clothing when possible."

There you have it: San Antonio, Texas, anno Domini 2003, in all its un-glory.

What's worse ...

Community leaders continue to show pitifully little support for U.S. soldiers.

Example in point:

City officials have been mute as mice since troops entered Iraq. (The San Antonio City Council, which regularly passes resolutions honoring everything from the Dallas Cowboys to Hike and Bike Week, has deigned only to observe "a moment of silence" for the troops and their families.)

Add to that palpable hush the rants of the town's Saddam Hussein apologists, and "Military City USA" can easily degenerate into a South Texas backwater, where men and women in uniform can't safely wear their uniforms in public.

"Sad" hardly describes such a miserable state of affairs.

Fortunately, all of the news surrounding the recent threats isn't dreary.

One unofficial source I talked to said he had seen the police report of the incident on the River Walk, and he provided this description of the confrontation:

"Some Marines who were nearby saw what was happening and went to the sailors' aid.

"The matter was then taken care of by combined military action."


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To: Dubya
Glad to have assisted in this! I have a feeling that Pastor Hagee will be a strong supporter of our pro-troop efforts! God bless.
101 posted on 04/14/2003 6:40:13 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: nutmeg
I feel like going to San Antonio myself and wearing my uniform and the first bastard that tries to mess with me will get a mouthfull of fist and a foot up the ass.

102 posted on 04/14/2003 6:48:54 AM PDT by Warrior Nurse (The Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps team putting warheads on their foreheads! OOH-RAH)
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To: Geist Krieger
This isn't simple "war protesting". This is criminal, threatened and/or attempted assault. These left-wingers are more than anit-war protestors they are anarchists, communists, and anti-Americans.

And often, illegal aliens or those who support their continued presence within what once were our borders.

We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."

--Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985

-archy-/-

103 posted on 04/14/2003 7:59:39 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: NMFXSTC
...in fact, I'd see the general and ask just WTF he thought about his troops when he asked them to in fact, disgrace the uniform by denying it!

When my unit's retention NCO tried to talk me into reenlisting at the end of my first enlisted tour of duty in 197, I gave him a copy of an all-to similar written order by our post commander ordering us not to wear our uniforms off-base after a couple of *incidents* involving students from a nearby university, who were hospitalized. I told the old sarge that if the post's commanding general was ashamed to see our uniform worn, so was I.

I expect after a while, the unit retention statistics spoke louder than anything else that could have been said.

-archy-/-

104 posted on 04/14/2003 8:10:51 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Change federal law so the military can bear arms against its citizens.

What leads you to think these are American citizens involved? And since illegal entry into the US is not only a felony, but a Homeland Security violation as well, I expect such violators need to be apprehended and have an ID and records check run against them. It's certainly suspicious conduct, and probable cause for detention and search.

-archy-/-

105 posted on 04/14/2003 8:15:08 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: harpseal; Travis McGee; AAABEST; river rat; Eaker
http://www.af.mil/news/Apr2003/41303897.shtml

I just ordered a bunch of Combined Forces T-shirts and made an Order from my old Frag Zone Shop in Indianhead MD for more EOD shirts and such (Eaker Order up ). I figure if such folks are out there doing as this USAF story relates then the POS trash who attack servicemens families need to be educated.

Stay Safe !
106 posted on 04/14/2003 8:29:35 AM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Lacey
Two weeks ago, my daughter traveled from FTC school in Virginia, home to CA in her dress blues, with no trouble at all. I could not imagine what my reaction would have been if some one had made a derogatory comment to her. But knowing I would eat my young to protect them....heads would roll! When she left for S. Korea yesterday, she had been told she was not to wear her uniform on the flight oversea's.
107 posted on 04/14/2003 9:07:30 AM PDT by MAsmom
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To: Tennessee_Bob
You don't know Texas rednecks. You are confusing them with the Dixie Chicks.
108 posted on 04/14/2003 9:10:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: harpseal
One nice thing about being older is that under thirties barely "see" you.

This makes it possible to get behind them casually, in order to put on a choke hold. Then age is not a factor, only oxygen intake.

109 posted on 04/14/2003 9:11:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
"Besides, there are laws in place that prevent us from bearing arms against American citizen."

An armed man is a citizen.
An unarmed man is a subject....

Any individual that would insult or attack a man in uniform, simply because he was in the uniform of this nation's military --- is neither a citizen or a subject..

That person is the ENEMY WITHIN....and must be dealt with....severely..

Semper Fi

110 posted on 04/14/2003 9:12:00 AM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: harpseal
Amen, brother...

The current breed of leftists in this country, are far more dangerous and hateful that in our day..

I believe it is due to the fact that they haven't had to pay the price for being an asshole..

It will only take a few cases of these bastards having their asses whipped -- to give them pause to reflect...

What REALLY frosts me -- is to see these bastards marching in parades with HOODS or MASKS over their faces...

I am feeling very strong urges to demask one, and shove his mask up his ass...

Semper Fi
111 posted on 04/14/2003 9:47:35 AM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER; hchutch; Chancellor Palpatine; rdb3
"Some Marines who were nearby saw what was happening and went to the sailors' aid.

"The matter was then taken care of by combined military action."

Translation: Townies got their a** kicked.

I can't find this sort of thing mentioned in Joint Publication 1, "Joint Warfare of the United States Armed Forces." Maybe I need to submit a publication change request :o)

112 posted on 04/14/2003 9:53:17 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Travis McGee
LOL - I'm a native Texan - and I know Tennessee Rednecks. And I know from my own experience that there are those out there who would pick a fight with a GI just to prove how tough they are, up to and including their family. Been there, done that, back in 1991.
113 posted on 04/14/2003 10:19:28 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (Dieses sieht wie ein Job nach Nothosen aus!)
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To: pointsal
someone needs to issue that base commander a set of balls.

...and remove his stars at the same time.

114 posted on 04/14/2003 10:26:57 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Bumperootus!)
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To: Lacey

115 posted on 04/14/2003 10:28:49 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Bumperootus!)
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To: pfflier
It's a great time to be an American and it is time to take our country back.

Great, when do we start. Where do we start? Iraq maybe free, but what about us?

116 posted on 04/14/2003 10:31:48 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children)
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To: Nam Vet; x1stcav
"Same-same here Bud. Will NOT take the cr*p the second time around."

First: Agreed. ANYBODY harassing a servicemember deserves some good old fashioned vigilante justice.

Second: Thanks guys.

Career military, DS1 vet.
117 posted on 04/14/2003 1:42:35 PM PDT by NFOShekky (Fights On)
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To: Travis McGee
"You don't know Texas rednecks. You are confusing them with the Dixie Chicks."

Damn straight! I was stationed at Corpus Christi in the late '80s and used to hit San Antone and the river walk fairly frequently. Friendliest damn folks I ever met, Anglo and Hispanic, and I never had a problem. These creeps GOTTA be transplants or some other kind of circus freeks!
118 posted on 04/14/2003 1:51:54 PM PDT by NFOShekky (Fights On)
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To: Protagoras
Great, when do we start. Where do we start? Iraq maybe free, but what about us?

Start now. When you see someone in uniform being hassled by an agitator, assist a buddy. Don't just sit on your Michael Moore and let it happen. It ain't gonna happen again on my watch.

Denver airport, 1972. I was in two casts, one on each arm. I had on my 1505s with my I was there ribbons. Three freaks with nothing better to do chose me as their "designated baby killer". I yelled as loud as they did but the good folk sitting around us said and did...nothing, zero, nada zip. They just looked away.

The cops took me away to "cool off".

An AA pilot who saw it all and saw my wings bumped me to first class later.

119 posted on 04/14/2003 2:11:11 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Lacey
"Some Marines who were nearby saw what was happening and went to the sailors' aid.
"The matter was then taken care of by combined military action."

Hehehehe....

L

120 posted on 04/14/2003 2:16:56 PM PDT by Lurker ("One man of reason and goodwill is worth more, actually and potentially, than a million fools" AR)
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