Posted on 04/12/2003 10:49:52 AM PDT by Scothia
Actor Ron Silver, addressing the Pro-USA and pro-troops rally in Washington DC today and responding to his introduction as a "prominent linberal" said "I think you've seen the end of my days as prominent liberal."
"Peace at what risk? Peace on whose terms? Peace for how long?" he went on. "There are worse things than war. People who think nothing is worth a war is worse."
The enthusiastic crowd cheered as Silver evoked Elie Wiesel and the lessons learned through the horrors of Nazi Germany, enunciating the reasons for America's humanitarian intervention in Iraq.
Following Silver, Linda Chavez remarked that she herself was a former liberal, and invited Silver to join the conservative ranks. "We ought to have a support group for ex-liberals," she said, laughing.
I just realize what a-holes the people who love Saddam and Castro and Kim are and how they are preventing freedom from occuring.
I want blacks to succeed... on their own merits. I want the poor to be lifted from poverty, handouts doesn't do it.
I think there is a divide though... there still are a small small miniscule minority of the old GOP who don't share these goals. W is changing that. Pat Buchanan joins with Lenora Fullani, and Ron Silver is cheering our troops. Who woulda thunk it.
I don't think Silver is making his way to the conservative side. I think he's simply admitting that he's persona non grata with the liberal crowd, that's all.
He's already said on Hannity and Colmes that he's still a domestic liberal so perhaps we should think twice before welcoming him with open arms...
Perfect example of the self-delusion that most fundy Christians engage in with respect to Israel.
It's not so much "secular American Jews," but LEFTIST American Jews who are critical these days of Israel. And they are critical because they oppose the Israeli government, which is only moderately Left, not Extreme Left, like they want.
And the modern, secular state of Israel, created by the United Nations--not the Hand of God--in 1948, was and has been led the entire time by SECULAR JEWS exactly like those you are criticizing right now.
There has never been a single attempt by any mainstream Jewish leadership in Israel to allege that they are "following God's calling to be a chosen people."
The Jews were NOT EVER in and of themselves a "chosen people." Most fundy Christians, ignorant as they are of history and the scriptures, forget that God spoke NOT to the Jews, but to ISRAEL, which included TWELVE TRIBES not just one. And they further forget that with the coming of the Messiah, and the atonement of Christ, ALL MANKIND may become part of the covenant people.
There is not a single, solitary shred of truth to this notion that "Israel" is a chosen people, or nation, or state, or whatever.
In fact, by the time that "Jews" came to be, they had lost their connection with God through disobedience to those prophets that had been sent to call them to repentence. The Lord ONE LAST TIME called them again, through sending the Messiah. Some Jews accepted Him, but MOST rejected Him, and so they are under the SAME condemnation as anyone else on this earth, if they continue that rejection.
"Jews" are not "chosen." They never were. They USED to be part of the larger group of people, "Israel," who were called by God to BE a chosen people, but most of them have never accepted that call.
So if you are a true believer in Christ, and accept Him, and come unto Him, then YOU are chosen no matter what your bloodline.
If a Jew rejects Christ, will not come unto Him and accept Him, then he is a heathen just as surely as if he had been born a gentile.
I'm sorry, I've just lost patience with this completely erroneous myth about modern Judaism.
Judaism is a religion like any other, and not endowed with any "special status" in the eyes of God at all.
All men are commanded to come unto Christ if they wish to be saved. No exceptions.
Let's take back our language and deny them their Orwellian definitions of who is who and what is what.
This is an awesome post, and I agree wholeheartedly. As a former hippiecrat myself, I have sought to find a name that suits what I have come to see is right and true. I am the true liberal! I believe that American liberty is God-given and just, and should be liberally applied to all people everywhere. I believe that the freedoms paid for by the blood of brave men and women ought to be liberally available in every oppressed corner of the Earth.
So-called liberals in this country would conserve freedom only for themselves and their own kind. They do not want average people to speak and think for themselves, to be armed and able to defend themselves, to have the opportunity to find their own destinies. They want people dependent on the state of the so-called liberals in order to live; to have to crawl to them for permission to stand up straight if they're not one of the "elite".
So, good, thought-provoking post. What should we call ourselves? True Progressives? What?
The policies and attitudes of those who disguise themselves under what used to be a respectable name "liberal" are wholely fascist, statist, socialist, and (gasp) communist. Changing the terms would amount to pulling their mask away and they would fight tooth and nail to keep that from happening.
I knew people in College in the mid-70s, who were simultaneously anti-American, anti-American military, anti-Republican, pro-Socialist, and PRO-ISRAEL. In fact, that was almost a GIVEN, because most of them were "secular Jews" of the kind who FOUNDED Israel and lived their. I had to sit through more slide-shows on "my summer in the kibbutz" than I care to recall.
Most of those who are supposedly "anti-Israel" today are actually "anti-Likud". If the Labour party were back in power, they'd be cheering and screaming.
(Now, is that neo-conservative, paleo- conservative, Bronze Age conservative, Iron Age Conservative, theo-conservative, Log Cabin conservative, evil krischun nazi prolifer scum conservative.....?)
A substantial number of the anti-war crowd are Jewish and anti-Israel. Go figure.
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