Genetic evidence links Jews to their ancient tribe

JERUSALEM (November 20) - Genetic evidence continues to provide additional proof to the claims that the Jewish people are descended from a common ancient Israelite father: Despite being separated for over 1,000 years, Sephardi Jews of North African origin are genetically indistinguishable from their brethren from Iraq, according to The Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

They also proved that Sephardi Jews are very close genetically to the Jews of Kurdistan, and only slight differences exist between these two groups and Ashkenazi Jews from Europe.

These conclusions are reached in an article published recently in the American Journal of Human Genetics and written by Prof. Ariella Oppenheim of the Hebrew University (HU) and Hadassah-University Hospital in Ein Kerem.

Others involved are German doctoral student Almut Nebel, Dr. Marina Faerman of HU, Dr. Dvora Filon of Hadassah-University Hospital, and other colleagues from Germany and India.

The researchers conducted blood tests of Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Kurdish Jews and examined their Y chromosomes, which are carried only by males. They then compared them with those of various Arab groups - Palestinians, Beduins, Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese - as well as to non-Arab populations from Transcaucasia - Turks, Armenians and Moslem Kurds.

The study is based on 526 Y chromosomes typed by the Israeli team and additional data on 1,321 individuals from 12 populations. The typing of the Jewish groups was performed at the National Genome Center at HU's Silberman Institute of Life Sciences.

The Fertile Crescent of the Middle East was one of the few centers in which the transition from hunting-gathering to permanent settlement and agriculture took place. Genetic studies suggest that migrating Neolithic farmers dispersed their technological innovations and domesticated animals from the Middle East towards Europe, North Africa and Southwest Asia.

Studies of Y chromosomes have become powerful tools for the investigation of the genetic history of males, since these chromosomes are transmitted from fathers to sons.

Surprisingly, the study shows a closer genetic affinity by Jews to the non-Jewish, non-Arab populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to Arabs. These findings are consistent with known cultural links that existed among populations in the Fertile Crescent in early history, and indicate that the Jews are direct descendants of the early Middle Eastern core populations, which later divided into distinct ethnic groups speaking different languages.

Previous investigations by the HU researchers suggested a common origin for Jewish and non-Jewish populations living in the Middle East. The current study refines and delineates that connection.

It is believed that the majority of today's Jews - not including converts and non-Jews with whom Jews intermarried - descended from the ancient Israelis that lived in the historic Land of Israel until the destruction of the Second Temple and their dispersal into the Diaspora.

The researchers say that a genetic analysis of the chromosomes of Jews from various countries show that there was practically no genetic intermixing between them and the host populations among which they were scattered during their dispersion - whether in Eastern Europe, Spain, Portugal or North Africa.

A particularly intriguing case illustrating this is that of the Kurdish Jews, said to be the descendants of the Ten Tribes of Israel who were exiled in 723 BCE. to the area known today as Kurdistan, located in Northern Iraq, Iran and Eastern Turkey. They continued to live there as a separate entity until their immigration to Israel in the 1950s. The Kurdish Jews of today show a much greater affinity to their fellow Jews elsewhere than to the Kurdish Moslems.

Interesting and thoughtful post.

My primary source of study is the Written Word. I hold fast to that Our Heavenly Father is in control and it will be His Will that is fulfilled.

Our Heavenly Father Word contains some very bold things that man rejects out of hand.

Hosea is very bold in what He was inspired to do and to write to us. It is difficult to discuss with hate hunters that have no understanding and seek man's consensus, peer-review, and man's scholarly status. Some strain at nats and swallow a camels.

This if fine as these things need be, as it is Written.

My duty as a Christian is to plant seeds. Whether they grow or not, is between that individual and our Heavenly Father.

Our Heavenly Father has much to say about those children most times it was not a good report. He punished them and said the remembrance of them who they were was wiped from man. He also said it will be He who would bring back their memory, and it would be He that restored the two Houses and that has not happened yet.

He also said the "wise" would understand. Since "wisdom" comes from our Heavenly Father and all souls belong to Him, I take my direction from that Word He made sure I got.

Christ taught that the "lost sheep" were to be taught Christ first by the apostles. This is a huge sign that Christ Himself posted and a study of where and to whom those apostles went opens many doors.

Christ taught to the masses in parables yet he explained the parables to the apostles, interesting read those explainations.

Our Heavenly Father called His children sottish, stubborn, stiff-neck, harlots, forgetful, fat, etc....., and said some were blinded, other were sent strong delusions that they would believe a lie.

He also says the judgment will begin at the House of God, and has plenty to say about the preacher/teacher/priest/ class.

Many men have agenda's and think of themselves so clever and cunning in slipping around in the dust to achieve their goal, we are told to test their fruits. First and most important is that our Heavenly Father is in control and it is He that allows things to take place.

Christ said I have foretold you all things, this should mean something.

}...most academic scholarship deems "British Israelite" ten lost tribe theorizing as spurious and disputes the historical speculations it is comprised of. ... if there is any truth to it ... will blow everyone's minds.

Nicely said. In my experience dealing with Clergy and Seminarians they live in fear that someday they may have to confront this subject of the Lost Tribes of Israel head on, for they are quite unarmed. All they have in preparation is typically one day in class spent "discrediting" British Israelism as a religion. To have to acknowledge the wealth of archeological and historical evidence accumulated in the past century would mean major revisions in thinking and teaching.

While BI as a functioning religious movement clearly needs some discrediting for its deviations from scripture, so does every other religious movement, because ALL have strayed in one way or another. The unfortunate thing is that by concentrating on the errors of British Israelism the mostly excellent biblical and historical research which underpins much of it is tossed out as well. Satan wins again using the simple device of distraction.

}The personal animus ... is a ... distraction from the matter at issue.

Again Satan wins, not on the merits, but by diversion and distraction.

}It seems unlikely to me ... this type of people would be fated to end-up in some third-world backwater of humanity in terms of nationhood ... there are a lot of Old Testament promises left unfulfilled pertaining to them, so clearly we aren't done with them(wherever and whoever they may be).

Yes, even a little serious examination of the topic raises numerous unsettling questions about the "Lost Tribes" which are not easy kissed off with sarcasm and cliches.

}I did read one E. Raymond Capt book, "The Great Pyramid Decoded".

I skimmed it once but am not much into pyramids. For all the uninformed criticism of him (never the book and it's findings), Capts book on The Assyrian Tablets is the seminal work of the past few decades and the starting point for anyone interested in the subject. BOOK

From what I have read, DNA studies of the British/English people have been done to indicate that they are not "British Israelites" (though the studies were not done for this purpose).

The lost tribes were removed from their lands but they were not allowed to leave the empire. You did not want hostile tribes outside your borders. They were taken north, yes-but you have to go north to trace the fertile crescent east into Mesopotamia proper. The "lost tribes" of Semetic peoples blended in with the pagan semetic peoples of the region-thus they vanished--by blending away among the peoples of the empire. No empire-not even the Roman kicks people out of the empire-they move them about inside the empire's borders. The Mongols and Turks did this too. Though I doubt the "Jewish Kurds" are from these lost tribes of Israel their location at the northern arc of the fertile crescent would tend to make that group think they were.

This will be my last post to you.

Finally, got a consensus did you?

Took you long enough to get around to making that accusation. Men are willing to sell their souls to keep that accusation from them. This baseless attack shows where your mind is and who you carry water for.

You have become so religiously PC'ed you don't have a clue about what is Written.

You have not read WHO holds the KEY, WHO openeth no man shutteth, and shutteth and no "man" openeth.

I responded to a subtly planted lie in this article. You slithered in thinking you were setting a trap, demanding sources. Then you went on the attack, giving and taking crediblity, demanding linguisticts science, consensus, peer-review, scholary study from man.

Thinking you successufly trapped me by association of a "hate-group" set about to spew your own hate. Not being familiar with said "hate-group", based upon your own post of them saw no need to waste my time on the idiots.

The very idea of "master race" or race supremacy is demoniac and against what is Written, He created man and it was good. Based upon that very thing why should I waste my time on what a demoniac group preaches?

This not being enough you continue to demand that I give a "list source". I owe you no explaination for anything.

I don't have a list source, I have numerous books listed and not listed and some books I have had a long time and I don't know where I got all of them. I have others that have been given to me, some bought at garage sales, I have no list of books I have collected over time, I only listed some that speak to what men have written.

What you continue to ignore is that I plainly stated that if they conflicted with the Word that the Word is correct. I have become amused at your one track mind, because it exposes what you are.

The opposite side of the coin of builders of a "master race". Your accusation exposes your own lack of understanding and knowledge base, but that is between you and our Heavenly Father. I have no interest in what you have to say.

Go plant a garden if you are able.

For all the uninformed criticism of him (never the book and it's findings), Capts book on The Assyrian Tablets is the seminal work of the past few decades and the starting point for anyone interested in the subject.

Why did Capt lie about his educational background?

Where is the "Accademia Testina Per Le Scienze, (established A.D. 450) Pescara, Italy" and why is the only reference on the World Wide Web to this "esteemed" 1353 year old organization which granted Capt an honorary Doctor of Literature Degree found in his Bookjacket bio???

Why has The California Commission of Teacher Credentialling have no record of E. Raymond Capt receiving a Teaching Credential in Biblical Archaeology . . . of one in History? Could it be that there IS NO California Teaching Credential for Biblical Archaeology (the commission lists the available single subject credentials on its website and that one is not there)???

Why did he lie?

http://www.racearchives.com/links/default.asp

Its a fun page allows you to see genetic similarity amongst population groups.

Linked to http://www.racearchives.com/calc/index.asp

HUMAN RACES CALCULATOR

then linked to

http://www.racearchives.com/calc/jewsychroms.asp?dbname=jewsychroms

Calculate Similarity

Basis on 6 Jewish and 23 non Jewish Y-Chromosome Analysis Margin of error: +/- 3%

Examples: Selected Populations: British (Bri), Italians (Ita) Similarity: 86%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Austrians (Aus) Similarity: 94%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Russians (Rus) Similarity: 86%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Greeks (Gre) Similarity: 79%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Turks (Tur) Similarity: 80%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Zulu (Zul) Similarity: 9%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Germans (Ger) Similarity: 91%

Contrast with Jewish/Semite populations

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Ashkenazism (Ash) Similarity: 75%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Ethiopian Jews (EtJ) Similarity: 35%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Israeli Druze (Dru) Similarity: 61%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Lebanese (Leb) Similarity: 60%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Near Eastern Jews (Nea) Similarity: 67%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), North African Jews (Naf) Similarity: 68%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Palestinians (Pal) Similarity: 65%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Roman Jews (Rom) Similarity: 70%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Saudi Arabians (Sar) Similarity: 66%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Syrians (Syr) Similarity: 71%

Selected Populations: British (Bri), Yemenite Jews (Yem) Similarity: 63%

The closest the Brits get are with Asken. Jews. Comparing that population with let say Greeks

Selected Populations: Greeks (Gre), Ashkenazism (Ash) Similarity: 94%

Science!!!!!!!!!

In fact the Greeks ranks so high % wise in DNA similarity to every Jewish population-and since the Bible and the New Testament were translated into Greek first--they may be the true lost tribes of Israel!!! :P

}See my #309--you might get a kick out of it.

Thank you, I did get a kick out of it. It is hilarious!!!

Do you know who owns that web site? Are you ready to stake your meager reputation on their integrity and honesty?

Do you realize they concealing their true identity by using a sneaky private domain registration outfit from Scottsdale, AZ to hide their true idendity?

Furthur, they are paying a possibly hippy name organization to register and handle their racist sounding domain name.

Even worse, the servers for that racist sounding site are OFFSHORE!!! Doesn't that ring criminal bells in your head.? Maybe they are involved in TAX EVASION.

The following official document tells the story about this possibly corrupt and perhaps even criminal organization which you are recommending to innocent FReepers. For all we know, they may even be a cabal of Liberals!!!

Registrant: Registration Private
Domains by Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160 PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)

Domain Name: RACEARCHIVES.COM Created on: 27-Jan-03 Expires on: 27-Jan-04 Last Updated on: 31-Mar-03 Administrative Contact:

Private, Registration RACEARCHIVES.COM@domainsbyproxy.com 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160 PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Technical Contact:

Private, Registration RACEARCHIVES.COM@domainsbyproxy.com 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160 PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Domain servers in listed order: NS1.LIVEDNS.CO.UK NS2.LIVEDNS.CO.UK

See how easy it is to make a big fuss over nothing? Two can play the name assassination game. Now

Don't you feel
ashamed of yourself

for trying to insult innocent FReepers intelligence with your childish games?

I don't have a list source, I have numerous books listed and not listed and some books I have had a long time and I don't know where I got all of them. I have others that have been given to me, some bought at garage sales, I have no list of books I have collected over time, I only listed some that speak to what men have written.

What you continue to ignore is that I plainly stated that if they conflicted with the Word that the Word is correct. I have become amused at your one track mind, because it exposes what you are.

I am someone who is interested in straight answers.
What does "I only listed some that speak to what men have written" mean, exactly?
Are you saying of your list at #169 that these are books you own, or have read? Are you saying that you read Bullinger's "The Witness of the Stars?" That seems unlikely, since it has nothing to do with anything under discussion on this thread.
Are you familiar with any of the contents of any of the other books you listed? If so, could you explain how they support your contention regarding the Lost Tribe origins of European Caucasians?
If you are unfamiliar with their contents, why did you list them? If, in fact, you don't know their contents, what led you to believe that they would be an edifying list?
What were your criteria for selecting that particular list of sources?

My duty as a Christian is to plant seeds.

The Bible contains many instructions. Here are some from Paul to Timothy...
Book of 1 Timothy (KJV)

Chapter 1

1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

1:2
Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

1:3
As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

This is why the accuracy of the books you listed is important.
Oh, on the subject of seeds, and gardens...
Book of Matthew (KJV)

Chapter 7

7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

7:17
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Since most of the sources you posted are bearing fruit on the Aryan Nations website, you may want to reconsider the trees from which they ripened.

Even worse, your site has links to EVOLUTIONISTS and race-baiters of every variety. What those links have to say about blacks and jews is shocking.

What does this have to say about where you are coming from? Are you also an EVOLUTIONIST and race-baiter? Did you have a "peer review" before posting to be sure you stayed inside their box?

Finally, anyone who clicks on links at your site, the one you gleefully recommended, their screen will be covered with offensive pop-ups and unwanted advertising.

Are we really expected to take your posts and those of your blabby friends seriously?

Read also: http://www.geocities.com/racial_myths/ Racial Myths

Exploding myths about race and racial origins coming from both Nordicist and Afrocentric circles. (Includes an assessment of the "Refuting" Racial Myths website.)

• • • • EXPLODING MYTHS ABOUT RACE AND RACIAL ORIGINS • • • • This site is dedicated to refuting lies, misinformation and pseudo-scholarship about race and racial origins coming from both the far Right and the far Left. Why? Because I’m sick and tired of stupid people making idiotic claims in order to advance their ridiculous agendas. Take a look around. You might learn something. And if you don’t, you’ll at least get to see pictures (with thumbs) of some rather attractive, scantily-clad women. Then, when you’re done, run off and tell your friends...and your enemies too for that matter.

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