News anchors glum amid Iraqi jubilation

Washington Times ^ | 4/10/03 | Jennifer Harper

[kattracks]

Baghdad's jubilation got the cold shoulder from some journalists yesterday.

The press did not question the raising of the American flag over Iwo Jima back in 1945.

But only minutes after President Saddam Hussein's statue toppled before overjoyed Iraqis, NBC's Kelly O'Donnell asked Central Command spokesman U.S. Navy Capt. Frank Thorpe whether it was appropriate for Marine Cpl. Edward Chin to briefly cover the statue's face with a U.S. flag. The act implied the United States already had assumed control of the regime, Miss O'Donnell said.

[bonesmccoy]

if the AM morning news programs were really doing their job, they would not have the thread we got now.

[MEG33]

I saw an Iraqi holding the flag afterwards and displaying it to the crowd while he stood on the pedestal holding the statue.

[bonesmccoy]

I can't see who gave the second Marine the flag.

We would need to find Cpl. Chin and ask him.

That guy's a regular hero. What unit was out in the square taking down the statue?

Were they from Camp Pendleton?

[bonesmccoy]

Brit Hume: Chris can you make out what those chants are?

Chris (in the square): There are praises of "Allah" in the middle of this chanting...definitely...

(My interpretation is that they were chanting Praise God!, but no one has confirmed)

[GOPrincess]

Hugh Hewitt said on the radio today that some of the guys at the statue were people he interviewed before they left...I think maybe from Twentynine Palms, CA.

According to the LONDON TIMES, the American flag belonged to one of the Marines on-scene...he worked at Pentagon on 9/11 and the flag came from there. He said it made him feel good to see that flag in Baghdad.

[JimRed]

...but Jennings tone was incredible --

Jennings sounded downright depressed to me....

I love it!

[MEG33]

I loved every minute of it!God bless our forces.

[RasterMaster]

How many heard enormous cheering from IRAQI's when the Stars and Stripes was draped over the head of the statue? Funny that the only ones who have a problem with this are those countries OUTSIDE of Iraq.

If I were to capture this photo, it would be (message for Syria):

...coming to a dictator near you....!

[bonesmccoy]

April 10, 2003
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5944-641318,00.html

Victory in the 21-day war
By Stephen Farrell in Baghdad



“YANKEE bastard,” yelled the young British peacenik at the first American tank to roll up to the Palestine Hotel. “Go home.”
She picked a man who had waited for 576 days to give his answer. Marine First Lieutenant Tim McLaughlin leant from the turret of his Abrams tank — nickamed “Satan’s Right Hand” — and screamed back: “I was at the Pentagon September 11. My co-workers died. I don’t give a f***.”

Lieutenant McLaughlin had with him a Stars and Stripes that he had been given at the Pentagon that fateful day. In Baghdad’s Paradise Square, he handed the flag to Corporal Edward Chin, who climbed a giant statue of Saddam and draped it over the deposed dictator’s head.

It was there only briefly; the gesture raised hardly a cheer from the gathering crowd and a black, white and red Iraqi flag quickly replaced it as a scarf around the statue’s neck. That, too, was removed to make way for the winch that would bring down the hated figure.

Lieutenant McLaughlin’s battalion was in the vanguard yesterday when the US 1st Marine Division rolled up to the east bank of the Tigris in central Baghdad, marking the moment when Saddam’s regime effectively came to an end.

It was a momentous day, reminiscent of the fall of the Berlin Wall and with it the communist empire in 1989. And no image of it will be more enduring than the toppling of that 20ft Saddam statue by a US tank egged on by a cheering, excited mob which then stamped with undisguised glee on the fallen idol.

Seldom in history has a city almost the size of London fallen. As resistance in Saddam’s capital crumbled, and the leaders of a collapsing regime folded their tents and crept away, the US Defence Secretary condemned Saddam to a place alongside Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Ceausescu “in the pantheon of failed, brutal dictators”.

Celebrating local people said the regime’s enforcers — the militias, security apparatus and Baath party loyalists — had quietly melted away. A city that went to sleep under a tottering regime awoke in a power vacuum.

And the people knew it. No one lives under the arbitrary imposition of power for four decades without developing acutely honed antennae for authority, and when it disappears the oppressed need no news bulletin or headline to tell them. The absence of burning oil fires, of checkpoints, of Republican Guard; the field artillery pieces abandoned under flyovers, the empty sandbag positions all told the tale.

Within hours Saddam City, a poor suburb heavily populated by Iraq’s downtrodden Shia majority, had exploded into a festival of looting.

As our car sped east to document the ransacking, delighted Shias waved joyously as they walked, drove and rode in the opposite direction, their vehicles loaded with microwaves, rifles, calculators, car batteries, food, oil and cigarettes. Suddenly shoulders were things to carry booty on, not to look over.

Yesterday The Times saw looting by car, looting by ponytrap, looting by bicycle, looting by makeshift sled. One man even pressed an office swivel chair into service to haul away a television. Another youth liberated the barrel of a heavy machinegun from a local police station without even knowing what it was. “I want it for my home,” he said, proudly.

The looting was accompanied by the first expression of political opposition in Baghdad for decades. The Baath party headquarters of Saddam City — a prime candidate for the likely rash of renamings over the coming days — had been ransacked and other buildings torched. Posters of Saddam were torn or defaced, one with the name of the Prophet’s son-in-law Imam Ali, a symbolic leader for the country’s Shia majority.

This in itself is a salutary warning for incoming Americans: a people oppressed for years under Saddam’s Sunni Tikrit elite are unlikely to be fobbed off with formulations about a new system comprising “elements of democracy”.

Whether the American heirarchy has the sophistication to appreciate this remains to be seen. More at least, one hopes, than the Marine who arrived in the centre of town yesterday morning with the immortal words: “Which city is this?” Crucially, the question everyone around him asked was: “Where is Saddam?” “Have we got rid of the criminal? Tell us. When, when are we going to get rid of him? Help us to find a solution,” entreated one elderly man before returning to the criminal business of the day.

With feelings running high, many Iraqi minders — who until yesterday had to accompany foreign journalists everywhere — were too afraid to venture on to the streets. Others read the runes more quickly. “Do we still need a guide?” one colleague asked our driver. “No, khallas (finished)” he grinned.

“Do we take the TV off our car because of the looters, or leave it on to stop the Americans shooting us?” I asked. “It’s s*** both ways,” grunted one photographer.

Shrugging, I took out the empty lemon juice carton in which my banned Thuraya satellite phone was hidden, ripped apart the bottom resealed with candle wax, and put it in my flak jacket pocket.

By noon, American soldiers had reached Canal Hotel, the UN headquarters abandoned by the weapons inspectors last month. The Marines simply walked into town, encoutering occasional sniper fire, and sat arond the huge compound. Most waved. One was strumming his guitar, his feet up.

“People have been great. They were really nice to us, bringing us food. It’s supposed to be the other way around, but it was a little bit of both,” grinned Sergeant Pilar Beltran. He had fought his way up from Kuwait through al-Nasiriyah and Highway 7 before reaching the capital early yesterday. “It’s been easy so far today, very little resistance. It’s kind of hard to distinguish who is civilian and Iraqi military. Every battlefield you go to you find Iraqi uniforms on the floor. What they do is fight, take off their uniforms and change over,” he said.

As he spoke, he watched looters openly carrying away fridges, microwaves and rice. Frontline soldiers do not see their role as enforcers of law and order. But the precedent is an unfortunate one to set: the single greatest fear of most Iraqis yesterday was a breakdown of law and order and banditry from renegades arming themselves with the millions of Kalashnikovs and small guns littering the country.

Across town, however, a Marines tank division had other priorities. At 3.10pm four Abrams tanks passed The Times car heading for the dead centre of town, fanning out across highway junctions as Humvees screamed to a halt and scanned the streets ahead as they waited for the main column to catch up.

“Two guys in front, see, see,” shouted Corporal Kenneth Hicks, 21, from Eufaula, Alabama, staring through his binoculars at a red estate car.

“Got it,” came the gunner’s reply. “Light car. Red car. Red Shaggy wagon.”

“Shaggy wagon?”

“Scooby Doos, man. You never seen Scooby Doo?”

Around them, Iraqis clapped and cheered — but at a safe distance as the pumped-up Americans reacted with extreme prejudice to anyone getting too close, too soon. A burst of machinegun fire at a car driving straight at the lead Humvee, and everyone jumped still further back.

“Heroes, heroes the Americans,” beamed one young man.

Older heads took a more measured stance. “If they just came to liberate us, then a thousand thanks. But if they are coming for something else, well, we are a Muslim country . . . ” he tailed off.

All agreed. They realised the regime was absolutely finished only when they saw the column of Abrams approaching from the South.

The final, symbolic moment was the jubilant scene in Paradise Square when a Marine Hercules tank tower looped its thick cable around the metal statue of a waving Saddam Hussein, and toppled it to the cheers of Iraqis, who then stamped on the head of the President they had cheered to the echo only hours before.

Watching from the sidelines, Lieutenant McLaughlin took his Stars and Stripes out of a sealed pouch, so that it could be wrapped around the statue’s hollow metal head.

The 25-year-old Russian language and poetry graduate explained later that a broken leg had taken him to room 5E678 at the Pentagon, where he was working as a general’s aide on September 11, 2001.

“I had just gone for my morning run and I was right at the Jefferson Memorial when the plane hit the Pentagon. I sprinted back because my older brother also works there. After I searched for him and found he was all right I spent the rest of the day at Ground Zero, helping out the ambulance and firefighting guys.

“In the days following tha,t I had to determine what to do after my leg healed, so the general offered me this job. He said I wouldn’t be going to Afghanistan because it was too soon but after that I would get a chance to go and . . ” He searches for a euphemism . . . “stop people doing harm”.

He continues: “I know Iraq didn’t have anything to do with September 11, but I think that, given the opportunity, a person like Saddam Hussein would certainly be capable of trying to hit London or Paris or New York.

“This flag was given to me on September 11. Now it is in Baghdad and now I am happy.”

[Swampmarine]

Now is exactley the right time for us to be provacative! We'll never be more ready. Bring it.

[bonesmccoy]

Thanks for the outstanding tip on the London Times article. It's by far the best written story on the event.

[bonesmccoy]

List for paybacks:

1. Iran

2. Vietnam

3. North Korea

Meanwhile in Baghdad:

[DensaMensa]

}I'm glad that the guys put our flag up.

So am I. That flag was for THEM over there, and it was for US back here. It was just a brief salute to we all who are paying the price.

[tophat9000]

See post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/889517/posts

The U.S. Flag put over Saddam statue head was from the Pentagon September 11 2001!

London Times |Victory in the 21-day war |By Stephen Farrell in Baghdad

“YANKEE bastard,” yelled the young British peacenik at the first American tank to roll up to the Palestine Hotel. “Go home.” She picked a man who had waited for 576 days to give his answer. Marine First Lieutenant Tim McLaughlin leant from the turret of his Abrams tank — nickamed “Satan’s Right Hand” — and screamed back: “I was at the Pentagon September 11. My co-workers died. I don’t give a f***.”

Lieutenant McLaughlin had with him a Stars and Stripes that he had been given at the Pentagon that fateful day. In Baghdad’s Paradise Square, he handed the flag to Corporal Edward Chin, who climbed a giant statue of Saddam and draped it over the deposed dictator’s head.

[MoodyBlu]

I continue to be stupefied that anyone even knows who Lara "34D" Logan is.

I don't know who Ms. Logan is but I do look forward to the CENTCOM briefing each morning to see Kelly O'Donnell standup and ask her question. Ms. O'Donnell has nothing to be ashamed about when it comes to rack size!

[gcruse]

And now we're going to our embedded
reporter with the Screaming 69th in
Q'ua Earazme, David Grier.  David,
if you can hear me, what is your
opinion of the war?

         

"I give it two snaps up and a twist.
As for jerking the statues off, 'haaated it.'"

[JohnHuang2]

Wednesday, April 9th, 2003.

Not exactly a day the Ba'ath Party will fondly remember, I reckon.

For Joe-six-Ba'ath, the day started out bad enough -- wondering if 4 JDAMS forced major personnel changes at top level management, whether Baghdad's Poison Gas & Electric Shock CEO Saddam Hussein was even alive, or got downsized into bits and pieces by GPS corporate raiders. Anyway, after serving with distinction a quarter century, things were getting a tad too hot under the collar for Saddam of late.

The day was all downhill from there.

By noon, crowds of jubilant locals gathered in central Baghdad, and, as an expression of wholehearted gratitude to Saddam for 25 wonderful years of generosity and public service, toppled Saddam's landmark statute in Firdos Square, smashing it to pieces, dragging its severed head across Arab streets, as tears of sadness streamed down the glum faces of folks over at CNN, al-Jazeera West.

"'Good, good, Bush!' chanted applauding crowds in the northern district of Hababiyah as a U.S. Marine convoy swept by, while there was jubilation...in the teeming Shi'ite suburb of Saddam City," reports Agence France-Presse.

"'Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Bush,' said another man to television crews, referring to U.S. President George W. Bush," adds AFP.

Stunned and horrified at scenes in Baghdad signaling a power vacuum as Saddam's regime crumbles, Ba'ath Party loyalist Christianne Amanpour complained about a power vacuum in Baghdad as Saddam's regime crumbles. Bush, CNN's Fedayeenie insinuated, should at least have had the decency of giving Saddam a crack at a smooth transition of power.

The Arab Street had ignited!

"So what does this (power vacuum in Baghdad) mean...for the Iraqi people," asked C-Span host Steve Scully Wednesday morning, "And, more significantly possibly, (what does it mean) for the U.S. government that is trying to rebuild Iraq in the post-Saddam era?"

"Well, I think in both cases it means they've got to do something to fill that [power vacuum]," replied Fedayeenie Andrew Mosher of the Washington Post, adding "The Iraqi people need something like the rule of law in their country. They can't just have their government taken away from them, bad as it was, clearly in terms of repression and so forth, and have nothing to take its place..."

Yeah, can't you just hear Iraqis crying out, 'Hey, guys, bad as it was, we really miss the repression and so forth! Can't have nothing to take its place! What's the hold up? Bring back the gassing and ethnic cleansing, now!'

Meanwhile, back in Baghdad, with Saddam's fate uncertain -- alive or JDAM-ed? -- the Ba'ath boys decided now is as good a time as any to take a little time off, getaway for a bit. Torture chamber work, say Ba'athists, can be mighty thrilling, and easier than ever, what, with all the new tools Saddam has made available. Hand-chopping and tongue-pulling is now a snap, Ba'athists will tell you. But after several thousand hand-choppings, even torture work can lose its glitter for weary Ba'athists.

For Democrats, the scenes in Baghdad -- Saddam's demise, cheerful crowds, U.S. Troops hailed as liberators -- was their ultimate nightmare scenario unfolding.

"If you are a Ba'ath Party loyalist," MSNBC's Lester Holt wondered, "what's left for you? You don't want to be among that crowd right now, the U.S. is not your friend, so what becomes of those who had become the symbols of this regime...?"

Good question, Lester, though I doubt regime remnants like Nancy Pelosi and other die-hards are likely to defect from Saddam even now. Indeed, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, another wacky Fedayeenie Democrat, also appearing on C-Span, angrily denounced the war, even with crowds cheering us in Baghdad, all but calling it imperialism.

The New York Times, to be fair, did manage to get one thing right. The war did fuel even greater hatred and resentment towards the United States. Greater hatred and resentment at the New York Times, that is.

President Bush, his courageous stance on Iraq vindicated thoroughly by events, emerges even more formidable from this, his shrill detractors more discredited than ever.

While tough battles may yet lie ahead, the doubting Thomases will find it difficult to argue with success.

God bless our President, God bless our Troops and God bless the United States of America!

My two cents...
"JohnHuang2"

[gcruse]

We were flipping through the channels...

I love it.  Have you ever noticed how people are
ashamed they are watching this stuff? It's always
something like....

"I was over on DU, just to see what the enemy is doing..."
or
"The dog stepped on the remote and the TV landed
on CNN when I noticed...."

LOL

[des]

Well, PLEEEEEEZE forgive a soldier for not checking with the Today Show...

[CapandBall]

British journalist Lara Logan