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WMDs, Nerve Agents, and Organophosphates (about those Iraqi "pesticides"...)
Gulflink.com / Kentucky Regional Poison Center

Posted on 04/07/2003 11:54:20 AM PDT by Sabertooth

Nerve agent (excerpt)

Nerve agents are organophosphate compounds. Nerve agents are normally divided into G-agents (fluorine- or cyanide-containing organophosphates) and V-agents (sulfur-containing organophosphates). The principal nerve agents are tabun (GA), sarin (GB), soman (GD), cyclosarin (GF), and VX

Nerve agents are all viscous liquids, not gases per se. However, the vapor pressures of the G-series nerve agents are sufficiently high for the vapors to be rapidly lethal. GB is so volatile that small droplets released from a shell exploding in the air may never reach the ground. This total volatilization means that GB is largely a vapor hazard. G-agents are potent inhibitors of the enzyme acetylcholinesterase, which is required for the function of many nerves and muscles. People poisoned by G-agents may display the following symptoms: difficulty breathing, drooling, excessive sweating, nausea, vomiting, cramps, twitching, jerking, staggering, headache, confusion, drowsiness, coma, and convulsions. The number and severity of the symptoms depend on the quantity and route of entry of the nerve agent into the body.

When a nerve agent is inhaled, a prominent symptom is the pinpointing of the pupils (miosis) and a dimness of vision. Nerve agents are cumulative poisons. Repeated exposure to low concentrations, if not too far apart, will produce symptoms.
Gulflink

Organophosphate Pesticides - Introduction (excerpt)

The organophosphates have replaced DDT as the leading pesticides because of their rapid breakdown into environmentally safe products. However, they have far more immediate toxicity than DDT and other related products.

There are more than 40 organophosphate pesticides on the market today and all can have acute and sub-acute toxicity. They are used in agriculture, homes, gardens, and in veterinary practice. They are all inhibitors of acetylcholinesterase (AChE) and cause similar symptoms. In 1999, more than 13,000 cases of organophosphate poisoning were reported to US poison centers, with more than 3000 cases seen in the emergency department (ED) and 83 fatalities.

Carbamate insecticides have a similar action of inhibition of acetylcholinesterase. However it is a temporary bond, usually lasting less than 12 hours. Additionally, the carbamates have less penetration across the blood-brain barrier than the organophosphates.
Kentucky Regional Poison Center


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: nerveagents; organophosphates; warlist
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To: genefromjersey
Correct. And one of their American arms is now called Aventis Pharmaceuticals, and sell Allegra to you for your allergies.
41 posted on 04/07/2003 3:24:27 PM PDT by A Mississippian
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To: Sabertooth
If they are indeed pesticides, what the heck are they exterminating over there? I don't see much vegetation that needs spraying or any bugs running around.

What kind of bugs do they have in Iraq anyhow? Any bug specialists lurking here?

42 posted on 04/07/2003 3:48:20 PM PDT by floriduh voter ("Pound that Rock" John Gruden, Super Bowl Night 2003)
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To: tallhappy
"It is a little known fact that Iraqis always keep their supplies of pesticides at military compounds. "

Hidden in bunkers, no less.

43 posted on 04/07/2003 3:52:02 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: cookcounty
What is a pesticide called if it can be loaded into shells ahd fired at troops in the field? answer, chemical weapons.

I am not moved the slightest that Sadam saw fit to name his WMDs as pesticides, reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon:
Do you have any bugs left in the software? No, we have renamed all of them as "features".
44 posted on 04/07/2003 4:08:09 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: Sabertooth
Add me to the "science ping list" please.
45 posted on 04/07/2003 4:08:42 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (ABBCNNBCBS (continue to) Lie!)
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To: Sabertooth; *war_list; W.O.T.; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave; blam; NormsRevenge; Gritty; SierraWasp; ...
Thanks very much for the good information!

OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST

46 posted on 04/07/2003 4:56:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: Sabertooth
Great post!

V


47 posted on 04/07/2003 5:01:36 PM PDT by Beck_isright (FLASH: CNN hires Baghdad Bob as new Operation Iraqi Freedom Military Analyst)
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To: cyncooper
Seems there are two sites at this plant with barrells -- the above ground site that the French newspaper was talking about was pesticide.

What they found below ground is what tested positive for chemicals used in WMD. There were I believe 14 barrels buried in a trench with camouflage over the top of them.
48 posted on 04/07/2003 5:43:09 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: Sabertooth
When they test the stuff, they better pull samples along the full depth of the barrels just in case the nerve agent is hidden beneath a top layer of pesticide.
49 posted on 04/07/2003 5:46:01 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: PhiKapMom
There were I believe 14 barrels buried in a trench with camouflage over the top of them.

Merely typical storage method for common pesticide. (end sarcasm)

You are correct to observe the tendancy, too, of the media to muddle up sites and specifics. Thanks for clarifying the business about above ground/below ground w/ camo.

50 posted on 04/07/2003 5:53:27 PM PDT by cyncooper (They dug them up with their hands.)
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To: Sabertooth
Organophosphates penetrate the blood-brain barrier (aka: perivascular membrane of Held), a critical vulnerability we mammals, with brains, all share.

The main post-ganglionic neurotransmitter (from CNS--brain and spinal cord--to specialized spinal nerves in a clump--"ganglion"-- to end organ) is acetyl choline. It is released from presynaptic nerve membranes in pulses of mini-packets of neurotransmitter. Acetylcholinesterase is the enzyme that breaks down the neuro-transmitter as if to "refresh" the synapse and to enable the continuous digital, off-on, transmission aspect (there is also analogue transmission in and among neurons) of cholinergic neruons. All this takes place in milliseconds or quicker.

AChE-I strikes at the heart of the nervous system, and the organophosphates render uesless the barrier that normally protects the CNS from blood-borne agents---a truly fast-acting and deadly concoction.

That's why these agents are common components in insecticides and WMD.

I think this find could better interpreted with more data (such as, near a farming community or a supplier of pesticides, etc., etdc.)

This stuff is dangerous--especially if concentrated a little more than pesticide grade--not hard to do.

This is a dual-use subterfuge.

51 posted on 04/07/2003 6:09:53 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks so much for the info, Saber. We should have conclusive results in a few days.
52 posted on 04/07/2003 6:45:18 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Sabertooth
Good stuff! give yourself an attaboy.
ATTABOY
53 posted on 04/07/2003 8:57:52 PM PDT by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: cyncooper
bttt
54 posted on 04/08/2003 12:24:26 AM PDT by lainde
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