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WMDs, Nerve Agents, and Organophosphates (about those Iraqi "pesticides"...)
Gulflink.com / Kentucky Regional Poison Center
Posted on 04/07/2003 11:54:20 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: genefromjersey
Correct. And one of their American arms is now called Aventis Pharmaceuticals, and sell Allegra to you for your allergies.
To: Sabertooth
If they are indeed pesticides, what the heck are they exterminating over there? I don't see much vegetation that needs spraying or any bugs running around.
What kind of bugs do they have in Iraq anyhow? Any bug specialists lurking here?
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posted on
04/07/2003 3:48:20 PM PDT
by
floriduh voter
("Pound that Rock" John Gruden, Super Bowl Night 2003)
To: tallhappy
"It is a little known fact that Iraqis always keep their supplies of pesticides at military compounds. " Hidden in bunkers, no less.
To: cookcounty
What is a pesticide called if it can be loaded into shells ahd fired at troops in the field? answer, chemical weapons.
I am not moved the slightest that Sadam saw fit to name his WMDs as pesticides, reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon:
Do you have any bugs left in the software? No, we have renamed all of them as "features".
To: Sabertooth
Add me to the "science ping list" please.
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posted on
04/07/2003 4:08:42 PM PDT
by
Robert A Cook PE
(ABBCNNBCBS (continue to) Lie!)
To: Sabertooth; *war_list; W.O.T.; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave; blam; NormsRevenge; Gritty; SierraWasp; ...
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posted on
04/07/2003 4:56:38 PM PDT
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
To: Sabertooth
Great post!
V
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posted on
04/07/2003 5:01:36 PM PDT
by
Beck_isright
(FLASH: CNN hires Baghdad Bob as new Operation Iraqi Freedom Military Analyst)
To: cyncooper
Seems there are two sites at this plant with barrells -- the above ground site that the French newspaper was talking about was pesticide.
What they found below ground is what tested positive for chemicals used in WMD. There were I believe 14 barrels buried in a trench with camouflage over the top of them.
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posted on
04/07/2003 5:43:09 PM PDT
by
PhiKapMom
(Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
To: Sabertooth
When they test the stuff, they better pull samples along the full depth of the barrels just in case the nerve agent is hidden beneath a top layer of pesticide.
To: PhiKapMom
There were I believe 14 barrels buried in a trench with camouflage over the top of them.Merely typical storage method for common pesticide. (end sarcasm)
You are correct to observe the tendancy, too, of the media to muddle up sites and specifics. Thanks for clarifying the business about above ground/below ground w/ camo.
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posted on
04/07/2003 5:53:27 PM PDT
by
cyncooper
(They dug them up with their hands.)
To: Sabertooth
Organophosphates penetrate the blood-brain barrier (aka: perivascular membrane of Held), a critical vulnerability we mammals, with brains, all share.
The main post-ganglionic neurotransmitter (from CNS--brain and spinal cord--to specialized spinal nerves in a clump--"ganglion"-- to end organ) is acetyl choline. It is released from presynaptic nerve membranes in pulses of mini-packets of neurotransmitter. Acetylcholinesterase is the enzyme that breaks down the neuro-transmitter as if to "refresh" the synapse and to enable the continuous digital, off-on, transmission aspect (there is also analogue transmission in and among neurons) of cholinergic neruons. All this takes place in milliseconds or quicker.
AChE-I strikes at the heart of the nervous system, and the organophosphates render uesless the barrier that normally protects the CNS from blood-borne agents---a truly fast-acting and deadly concoction.
That's why these agents are common components in insecticides and WMD.
I think this find could better interpreted with more data (such as, near a farming community or a supplier of pesticides, etc., etdc.)
This stuff is dangerous--especially if concentrated a little more than pesticide grade--not hard to do.
This is a dual-use subterfuge.
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posted on
04/07/2003 6:09:53 PM PDT
by
Rudder
To: Sabertooth
Thanks so much for the info, Saber. We should have conclusive results in a few days.
To: Sabertooth
Good stuff! give yourself an attaboy.
ATTABOY
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posted on
04/07/2003 8:57:52 PM PDT
by
Valin
(Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
To: cyncooper
bttt
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posted on
04/08/2003 12:24:26 AM PDT
by
lainde
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