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Pat Robertson stirs up debate (Islam is not a peaceful religion)
nj.com ^ | April 02, 2003 | KRYSTAL KNAPP

Posted on 04/04/2003 4:56:15 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Edited on 07/06/2004 6:38:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: William Creel
Pat Robertson is absolutely right about some things. Islam is not at all peaceful. It is the murdereous Mohammed Cult, bent on destruction. Check what it is doing all over this world.
61 posted on 04/04/2003 6:07:11 PM PST by tessalu
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To: SauronOfMordor
bump for freedom of association.

62 posted on 04/04/2003 6:08:23 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Frodo sleeps with men...)
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To: sweetliberty
Christadelphians? Never heard of that one.


I just remember that name from reading a book about cults. What about “Oneness” Pentecostals? The ones who deny the Trinity? Maybe you have heard of them, sorry about the obscure Christadelphians.

What I don’t understand is your statement about not “elevate them to the same level as the faith upon which this country was built."


What do you propose we do with them, or not do with them?

63 posted on 04/04/2003 6:08:57 PM PST by george wythe
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To: inflorida
Of course it doesn't diminish the value of liberating the Iraqis but it is not the main reason we are over there. Our troops are there to disarm and eliminate Saddam for the safety of Americans. The liberation of the Iraqi people is a great bonus to this war.

So you believe that the Iraqi people, including Muslims deserve liberty. Good. So do I.

I mistakenly thought you were defending the original statement in this exchange which was;

"Yes they should be banned from office and the bloody cult banned in America!"

Sorry!

64 posted on 04/04/2003 6:10:49 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Kuksool
In many of the Muslim countries man-boy sex is winked at.
In Kandahar, Afghanistan, even married men with children, are known to have "boy lovers". I have been told that in other Arab countries, you will see many old men driving big cars with a little boy sitting in the front seat beside the driver. I was told that in time past, this used to be hidden, but now, it is more out in the open. The little boys are usually boys from some other poor Arab country, and not an oil rich country. It is easier to abuse them.
65 posted on 04/04/2003 6:12:28 PM PST by tessalu
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To: Jhoffa_
Islam is political and there is no denying. This should be good enough reason to ban Islam. The constitution does not make provision for a joint, religious/political cult.
66 posted on 04/04/2003 6:15:08 PM PST by tessalu
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To: tessalu
Congratulations, you just made a case for banning the Christian Right.

It's unconstitutional though. The 1A protects both groups in this case.

Their right to speak and their right to worship.

67 posted on 04/04/2003 6:16:58 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Frodo sleeps with men...)
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To: TLBSHOW
My tuition shouldn't be used for this event. I don't think it should go to pay for hate speech.

To those who follow Satan Jesus=Hate. I bet this student paid no tuition...Probably got a grant from real tax payers or Daddy is paying the price for him to skip class and protest the war. Students suck. Now that I am old enough that my penis does not lead me to all decisions, I believe they should raise the voting age high enough that MTV "Rock the Vote" ads make no difference. Eddie Vetter was an air head 10 years ago and drugs have only made him more vapid.

68 posted on 04/04/2003 6:23:43 PM PST by Once-Ler (I vote Dubya)
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To: george wythe
I apologize for not clarifying that statement. What I mean is that by giving their "concerns" a place at the government table aimed at influencing the direction of that government in their favor amounts to elevating them to "special" status. I forget what the exact name of the official Islamic pressure group is, but the point is, this is a country of laws rooted in Christian doctrine.

We have graciously welcomed those of other "religions" into our country. Most practice their religions unobtrusively. Islam, on the other hand, by its very nature wreaks havoc wherever it gains a foothold. Historically, where Islam goes, violence follows. Its doctrines preclude it existing in peace with others. I have seen nothing in the documents or history of this country to suggest that we should reshape who we are to accommodate the comfort level of invading religions. Common sense and a little knowledge of history makes it quite clear that "freedom of religion" referred to freedom of denomination and in the early days of the nation, even Catholics did not have equal rights in all things, doubtless because it was Catholicism that was perceived as the tyrant from which our ancestors fled.

69 posted on 04/04/2003 6:27:25 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: rageaholic
By smashing the Byzantine Empire, which had protected Europe from Islam for centuries, the Crusades ended up doing more harm than good.
70 posted on 04/04/2003 6:28:00 PM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: TLBSHOW
"If the islam cult has it's way there won't be one in 20 years!"

Twenty-Year Plan for USA: Islam Targets America

Twenty-Year Plan for USA: Islam Targets America

(Dr. Anis Shorrosh)
The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020! Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?


1. Terminate America's freedom of speech by replacing it with hate crime bills state-wide and nation-wide.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities to promote Islam as the original African-American's religion while Christianity is for the whites! Strange enough, no one tells the African-Americans that it was the Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves, neither the fact that in Arabic the word for black and slave is the same, "Abed."

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office for favorable legislation to Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the internet by buying the corporations or a controlling stock.

6. Yield to the fear of imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America - the black gold. America's economy depends on oil, (1000 products are derived from oil), so does its personal and industrial transportation and manufacturing -41% comes from the Middle East.

7. Yell, "foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un-American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran" anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions, get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way. Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

a. Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961)

b. No birth control whatsoever - every baby of Muslim parents is automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later.

c. Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years - since one cannot have the Muslim legal permission to marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in America.

d. Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (so far 2000 released inmates have joined Al Qaida world-wide). Only a few have been captured in Afghanistan and on American soil. So far - sleeping cells!

10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are 300 exclusively Muslim schools with loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution.

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish "Centers for Islamic studies" with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher education institutions.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, not the truth, which is Islam hijacked the terrorists. Furthermore in January of 2002, Saudi Arabia's Embassy in Washington mailed 4500 packets of the Quran, videos, promoting Islam to America's high schools--free. They would never allow us to reciprocate.

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards the Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

14. Nullify America's sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls. (We have experienced this too often since 9-11.)

15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not American's justice system.

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S. but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

17. Raise interest in Islam on America's campuses by insisting that freshman take at least one course on Islam. Be sure that the writer is a bonafide American, Christian, scholarly and able to cover up the violence in the Quran and express the peaceful, spiritual and religious aspect only.

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media of their visibility.

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.

20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the US by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.

71 posted on 04/04/2003 6:28:13 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: sweetliberty
Thank you for your eloquent answer. I understand your point now.
72 posted on 04/04/2003 6:29:58 PM PST by george wythe
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To: Happy2BMe
Looks like the cult is on their way with the help of BRainWashed Americans!
73 posted on 04/04/2003 6:35:35 PM PST by TLBSHOW (Get The UN out of America! NOW...............)
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To: Chuckster
Don't forget, you're talking about Princetonians (college students or non college students) who happen to delude themselves by believing their incredible intelligence makes them smarter than the rest of us.
74 posted on 04/04/2003 6:35:44 PM PST by Coachm
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To: TLBSHOW
Your tuition? how about my tax money sponsoring the hate speech of anti semetic anti america anti white male anti former miitary anti heterosexual anti gun owning anti Christians..non tax payers
Your schmucks
75 posted on 04/04/2003 6:36:29 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Jhoffa_
Your position is valid of course.

How about this.

Does the constitution prevent "The People" from acting to protect themselves and their institutions from an assault designed to bring about their anilation?

What I am trying to get at is-Are we free to protect ourselves from threats to our existence? (we-meaning any specific group, jew, christian, muslim, etc..)

Greg
76 posted on 04/04/2003 6:37:07 PM PST by crude77
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To: crude77
Within the law, certainly..

You can resist a mugger, can't you?

77 posted on 04/04/2003 6:40:59 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Frodo sleeps with men...)
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To: Jorge
For a Christian to say that there is no God but Jehovah or Yahweh, the God of the Holy Bible, is not a rhetorical statement. It is a belief statement on which Robertson's faith is based. No other discussion need continue afterwards, because his belief will not be swayed. What he said is no worse than a Muslim saying that their religion is the only true faith, or a Jew saying that Judaism is the only true faith. A faith statement is a personal choice, and in America, it should not be seen as threatening speech.
78 posted on 04/04/2003 6:41:06 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Jhoffa_
There is nothing constitutional about this. It's an emotional, reactive, unconstitutional sham.

Yeah, but it makes for a hot argument. Which was the purpose of posting the article, after all.

79 posted on 04/04/2003 6:41:15 PM PST by Amelia (God bless our troops!)
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To: Jhoffa_
If you would read the article, you may note that pat Robertson is not quoted as saying that Moslems should be banned from public office. Where did you get the impression that he did?

Is it your practice to quote radicals to impugn the motives of the rest of America? Perhaps you can get a quote directly from Robertson that supports your accusation. Otherwise, I suggest that you owe him an apology.
80 posted on 04/04/2003 6:41:42 PM PST by moneyrunner
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