Pat Robertson stirs up debate (Islam is not a peaceful religion)

nj.com ^ | April 02, 2003 | KRYSTAL KNAPP

[TLBSHOW]

PRINCETON BOROUGH - The Rev. Pat Robertson spoke from the lectern at Princeton University last night like it was his pulpit, calling students to stand up for their moral convictions and not be swayed by popular culture.

His hair is all gray now, he had surgery in February and is recovering from prostate cancer, but the evangelist showed no signs of wavering last night when he spoke at the invitation of a student group.

[inflorida]

Thanks...and you are right that "primarily" is the better word. :-)

[Cindy]

"The Rev. Pat Robertson spoke from the lectern at Princeton University last night like it was his pulpit, calling students to stand up for their moral convictions and not be swayed by popular culture."

[george wythe]

there is also nothing in the Constitution that suggests that we embrace false religions and elevate them to the same level as the faith upon which this country was built

Are you thinking about:

Mormons
Jehovah's Witnesses
Unitarians
Christian Scientists
Seventh-Day Adventists
Christadelphians
etc?

Help me out here with your list of false religions.

[TLBSHOW]

bttt

[epow]

"He is out of step with mainstream America. People don't really buy his views, at least no one I talk to."

Yeah, I can believe that. In this little twit's elitist Ivy League world he doesn't talk to many down to earth Americans who believe in God and morality. I doubt he meets many patriotic Americans either, those who take the pledge of allegiance seriously and are willing to fight and die if necessary to protect their nation. He's gonna be in for a major shock if he ever has to leave his comfortable, pampered, coddled, little make-believe world and live in the real world with the rest of us.

[TLBSHOW]

Are God and Allah the Same?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/885435/posts
Under no circumstances is Jehovah, the God of the Bible, and Allah, of the Koran, the same. First of all, the God of the Bible is a God of love.
.....
Allah is a cult of death!

[Amelia]

But there is also nothing in the Constitution that suggests that we embrace false religions and elevate them to the same level as the faith upon which this country was built.

As long as Islam is considered one of the major religions of the world, I think the U.S.A. would have a hard time declaring it a false religion - without perhaps "establishing" a state religion at the same time, in any case.

[crude77]

I think the constitution is fine as is. Additionally I don't think it provides any protections to religions/cults that seek the destruction of the American ideal.

Also don't think it bans the the government from condoning and/or encouraging religions of the judeao-christian persuasion. I think it says that government cannot pass a law that says as of today we are all Babtist.

Am I wrong?

Greg

[Jhoffa_]

Are God and Allah the Same?

No, the Muslims won't get to heaven with "Allah"

Similarily, you won't get to heaven by beating Christianity into them.

There's no justification for this Todd.. None.

Not in the Bible and not in the Constitution.

[lilylangtree]

Pat needs to be talking to the Maryland State Legislature where they refused a pastor the opportunity to give the invocation because he would use the words "in Jesus name". It seems two Jewish legislators whined and complained and threatened a boycott, even though 3 Jewish rabbis would be following the pastor in giving the invocation. Shameful!

[Jorge]

Our troops are in Iraq to disarm Saddam and remove him from power only for the safety of Americans. The liberation of the Iraqi people is just an added bonus to this war.

So what does this mean? Does it diminish the value of liberating the people of Iraq? Specifically the Muslim people?

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

the right of Americans to worship (within these laws) is absolute.

It most certainly is not absolute. Every day in this country, the left and the judiciary are making it harder and harder for Christians to worship in public.

Predominately Muslim countries often make it a crime for non-Muslims to worship. Many of us believe this is exactly what would happen in America if this country ever became predominately Muslim. A number of experts have determined that the biggest mosques in the U.S. are encouraging violent forms of Islam.

This is a religious war - not because Americans want it to be so but because many Muslims want it to be so. Are all Muslims supportive of extremist activity? No, only an estimated 100 million worldwide.

Muslims could prove their peaceful intent by turning in their violent brethren to the authorities for prosecution. I sure haven't heard much of that. They are NOT doing so. That speaks volumes.

America has a history of protecting religions but does not have to blindly protect religious cults advocating wholesale murder. If I gather a group of wackos together and plot violence against innocents and call my group of scoundrels a "religion," does that protect us from criticism?

Islam is not a religion of peace. The current and historical evidence of that is overwhelming. It is the only "religion" of which I am aware that promises heavenly acceptance for acts of suicide and mass homicide in the name of its god.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

[sweetliberty]

Christadelphians? Never heard of that one. The others you mentioned, yes, I do consider them cults, but however deceived they may be, none of them teach the killing of those who do not believe as they do. None of them promote terrorism. None of them seeks to replace the existing government with their religious dogma.

[Kuksool]

Homosexuality is a taboo subject in the Muslim World. In nations where Islamic Fundamentalism is strong, the punishment for sodomy is death. So much for the religion of peace. Although conservative Christians in America oppose the Gay Gestapo Agenda, they don't advocate killing homosexuals.

[Jorge]

Questioned about his comments calling Islam a violent religion and his statement that Muslims should be barred from public office, Robertson defended his position.

Who else do we ban from public office? Atheists and Hindus?

I was under the impression that our country guarenteed freedom of religion. Robertson has once again gone way over the line with his divisive and inflammatory rhetoric.

[inflorida]

Of course it doesn't diminish the value of liberating the Iraqis but it is not the main reason we are over there.
Our troops are there to disarm and eliminate Saddam for the safety of Americans. The liberation of the Iraqi people is a great bonus to this war.

[SauronOfMordor]

We do not have to accept folks of a religion in our borders who wish us destruction for the most part.

The government should not have a role in determining what is the "right" religion. But neither should it have a role in telling us we MUST accept all religions

Prior to the 1960's or so, it was for private individuals to exclude offensive people. Business owners did not have to hire anybody they didn't like, and apartment owners didn't have to rent to people who they didn't like. It was possible to make offensive people feel very "unwelcome", without any government involvement.

[Jorge]

Homosexuality is a taboo subject in the Muslim World. In nations where Islamic Fundamentalism is strong, the punishment for sodomy is death. So much for the religion of peace. Although conservative Christians in America oppose the Gay Gestapo Agenda, they don't advocate killing homosexuals.

You obviously haven't visited some of the Christian message boards, or the Fred Phelps web site..

[Jhoffa_]

Additionally I don't think it provides any protections to religions/cults that seek the destruction of the American ideal.

It protects the right of the Socialist Workers Party to speak freely, doesn't it?

Am I wrong?

It says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Which effectively rules out "banning" Islam.

Which was my point. There is nothing constitutional about this. It's an emotional, reactive, unconstitutional sham.

[Jhoffa_]

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Oh yes it is.

The minute it becomes arbitrary, it becomes useless to us all.

If you don't like what it says, amend it.. Till then it's the Supreme Law of our land.