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Online petition to save surplus rifles
Save the M-14 surplus ^

Posted on 04/03/2003 9:28:14 PM PST by newyorkronin

US govt to needlessly destroy BRAND NEW, NEVER ISSUED M-14 rifles in inventory. Sign this petition to Congress to sell off rifles to law abiding civilians instead of wasting them.

http://www.petitiononline.com/M14CMP03/


TOPICS: Announcements
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; cmp; dcm; m14; odcmp
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To: Trident/Delta
Care to explain yourself, mouth-breather? I build machine guns for a living, legally. I know full well what BATFE regs are. In case you didn't notice, several others here do, as well.

If you don't like ATF regs, complain to your Congressman, you pussy, not me.

121 posted on 04/04/2003 5:22:29 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: All
For more info try Fred.
He has a plan.
Besides, he's a hoot.
Ships fast too.
Can you beat 200 on the AQT?
Send for the "rifleman" package and get the straight
scoop on demil of m-14s to semi auto.
We should be able to buy these just like the Garands.

http://www.fredsm14stocks.com/
122 posted on 04/04/2003 5:27:22 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: Illbay
"Isn't there a "gunnuts.com" or someplace else where most people would actually care?"

Not only do you bash Southerners as Nazis.....you also call 2nd Amendment supporters "gun-nuts". You're a liberal troll just like Whisky Papa.

123 posted on 04/04/2003 5:35:06 PM PST by Godebert
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To: umgud
I carried one at Parris Island in '67, then a Garand during infantry training at Camp Geiger. The M-14 is a good weapon and one which has a LOT of advantages over the small caliber M-16. Of course, I'm biased, as the first one I carried (during Staging Bn at Pendleton in '69, was essentially a single shot .22, as I had to manually cock the thing every round. All the armorer said was, "Live with it." The M-14 was at least very reliable...
124 posted on 04/04/2003 6:00:12 PM PST by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
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To: DoughtyOne
The M1 Garand and the M14 are basically the same weapon. The one of the main difference is the M1 fires the 30-06 round and the M14 fires a .308 Also the M14 takes a magazine. ( a clip and a magazine are not the same thing ) And to make matters more confusing the civilian version of the M14 is called the M1A

M1 Garand

M14

Links

The M1 Garand Rifle An American Companion In Three Wars

Welcome to the M1-Garand Tribute Page

The M14

125 posted on 04/05/2003 12:52:10 AM PST by quietolong
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To: Rifleman
Any of the parts (auto sear, selector, etc.) which make the full auto/select fire arm capable of full auto can be considered a Machine gun under ATF rules. It'd be hell to get busted for having a part laying in a box somewhere, but that is the rule.

Seems bogus to me, the reciever could be milled in such a way as to make assembly impossible, without cutting and rewelding the reciever. The latter makes proper heat-treating d@mned difficult and could result in a dangerous firearm.

The M1A is hefty, but I like it. I prefer stout wood furniture on my rifles, maybe that is why I like older military style arms. I just can't see using a Stoner variant as a cane, crutch, or club in a pinch, much less mounting a bayonet on one....

126 posted on 04/05/2003 1:06:38 AM PST by Smokin' Joe
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To: Kadric
The problem with the E2 pistol grip stock is that the trigger lever geometry is for an upward pull with the hand wrapped around a conventional stock, not a rearward pull with a more vertical fist wrap angle.

I normally prefer a pistol grip stock for ease and versatility of handling, but in this case, the rifle prefers otherwise.

(Please correct me if there was a different trigger lever to deal with this, especialy if it is available as an aftermarket replacement.)
127 posted on 04/05/2003 6:15:09 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: fire_eye
However, from the stories he tells about the phenomenal accuracy of the M14 he had - he was able to make head shots at 300 or 400 yards with it.

2 MOA is no problem for a decent rifleman with an ordinary rack grade M14/M1A. I would not be surprised if he got close to 1 MOA.
128 posted on 04/05/2003 6:18:21 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Smokin' Joe
Yeh, but the rule was generated by the BATF, it doesn't exist in the text of the law. And in any case, the move to distribute these rifles could be used as a lever to clean up some of the more egregious interpretations that the BATFags have made over the years. There is NO rational reason that the semi versions of M-14 should not be availible to the people as they are functionally identical to many other semiauto rifles.

129 posted on 04/05/2003 10:44:16 AM PST by Rifleman
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To: Rifleman
Although differences exist, the M1A (quite identical)and the Mini 14 (similar)come to mind.

Remember, though, ATF seems to think (collectively) that Mr. & Mrs. Joe Six-Pack shouldn't be armed. Wouldn't want people shooting back after they kicked down the wrong door and stomped the cat to death (etc.).

130 posted on 04/06/2003 1:44:52 AM PST by Smokin' Joe
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To: DoughtyOne
The First Production Submachinegun

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/886528/posts

131 posted on 04/06/2003 1:50:45 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: Smokin' Joe
Remember, though, ATF seems to think (collectively) that Mr. & Mrs. Joe Six-Pack shouldn't be armed. Wouldn't want people shooting back after they kicked down the wrong door and stomped the cat to death (etc.).

Just say that all funding of the BATF is to be from fees derived from the sale of surplus military rifles, fees derived from alcoholic beverage products, and fees derived from tobacco products. That would change the BATF's mind in a hurry.

Besides, that a good way to start trimming the federal budget deficit.

132 posted on 04/07/2003 12:08:32 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: Frohickey
Sheesh! They'd be peddling surplus 105's!
133 posted on 04/07/2003 10:10:52 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: Smokin' Joe
Sheesh! They'd be peddling surplus 105's!

Whats so bad about that? We paid for it in the first place, when the govt doesn't need it, I'd say that we get money to get rid of it too, instead of shelling out even more to get rid of it.

134 posted on 04/08/2003 6:10:41 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: Frohickey
"shelling out" LOL! I agree, but ammo might be a tad hard to come by. I don't think they carry it at the local sporting goods store.

Might be a bit of a deterrent to itinerant salesmen and burglars, though..

How many kids would love to climb on one in a park somewhere while listening to grandpa, (yes, grandpa) talk about sending steel downrange from a firebase somewhere--or how a fire mission saved his butt.....?

135 posted on 04/14/2003 6:57:29 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: AnAmericanMother
I certainly hope this petition has some effect. It would be such a shame to see these great M-14 rifles destroyed.

Waste is such a horrible thing especially when an item is of such fine workmanship.

136 posted on 04/24/2003 3:54:13 AM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: Kadric
Good Lord! That's some lousy marksmanship.

I can put pretty much an entire mag in a 6" circle at 100 yds on iron sights with my FAL. I can't imagine "sighting in" a scoped bolt action to that low of a level of accuracy. That is borderline sacreligious.
137 posted on 04/24/2003 4:05:42 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: FreedomPoster
Think that's bad ever seen a stainless bolt rifle that would not fire because of corrosion? The guy was complaining it would not fire so I offered to look at it. It took ½ hr to get the bolt out Browning A-Bolt there was rust in the chamber.
138 posted on 04/24/2003 11:15:44 AM PDT by Kadric
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To: Rifleman
"There is NO rational reason that the semi versions of M-14 should not be availible to the people as they are functionally identical to many other semiauto rifles."

The M1A is one of the few that meet California approval under their SAW laws. There is no state that I know of that outlaws them. The problem with the ex-military M-14s is that they were created as selective fire weapons and the BATFE states that once a machinegun always a machinegun.
139 posted on 04/24/2003 11:25:56 AM PDT by Kadric
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To: Kadric
Vadric wrote:
The M1A is one of the few that meet California approval under their SAW laws. There is no state that I know of that outlaws them. The problem with the ex-military M-14s is that they were created as selective fire weapons and the BATFE states that once a machinegun always a machinegun.

Rifleman replys:
That "once/always" regulation is not in the law. It is regulatory Bravo Sierra invented by the BATFags. Recovering those military M-14's for the citizens by converting them to semi is a rational and reasonable thing to do. We should argue that way. We should aways take such opportunities to salami slice the law and regulation back in our direction. Get simpethetic legislators to introduce modest amendments (legalize silencers, broaden the Curios and Relics liscense, allow purchase of handguns in any state if the transaction is legal in the home state, etc. You can think of lots of these) at every oportunity. We don't yet and may never have the political clout to take big bites, but "If you can't get five...take two."
140 posted on 04/25/2003 4:11:12 AM PDT by Rifleman
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