See men shredded, then say you don't back war (MUST, MUST READ!)

The Times ^ | March 18, 2003 | Ann Clwyd

[cardinal4]

After about 3 days of reading even the French would have to feel ashamed.

Sorry, Im not buying that statement. Any country who reveres Jerry Lewis, brought us mimes, and says Bill Clinton was the greatest president we ever had, couldnt possibly feel shame.

[Cultural Jihad]

If there are valid reasons for the U.S. to go to war against Iraq, then let those reasons stand on their own.

There would be only one valid reason to go to war: Because President Bush sent us there, and that should be the reason. You and anyone are free to read the transcripts to his press conferences and speeches.

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"The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has given shelter and support to terrorism, and practices terror against its own people." --October 7, 2002

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Saddam Hussein has a history of mass murder. He possesses the weapons of mass murder." --March 16, 2003

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"In a free Iraq, there will be no more wars of aggression against your neighbors, no more poison factories, no more executions of dissidents, no more torture chambers and rape rooms. The tyrant will soon be gone. The day of your liberation is near." --March 17, 2003

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[jackbill]

Note to peaceniks, France, Germany, Russia and China:

And that MFing Slimebag Tom Daschle

SHUT UP.

[Alberta's Child]

"Put not your trust in princes, nor in the sons of men, in whom there is no help." --- Psalm 146:3

(P.S. I am a strong supporter of President Bush, but to be honest with you I don't trust anyone who isn't a friend or family member.)

[error99]

I just don't know why you think you are being "manipulated".
Do you think you are being dragged along screaming and kicking?
Or do you think it is high time this 2-bit dictator got his come-upins?

[error99]

anyhow all them places you love is up in banff and such

[Mr. Silverback]

Don't ever mention any of those stories about the torture of the Kuwaiti people, and about how utterly evil Saddam Hussein is -- People like me might rightfully ask why such an evil bastard wasn't destroyed 12 years ago.

He wasn't destroyed because Bush41 and his advisors were too enamored of the UN. I said at the time that they were screwing up and we should never have stopped short of Baghdad and that we'd be back in the Gulf to do it all again.

So please, don't give me any crap. I've been wanting Saddam napalmed since August of '90, and I never needed any Kuwaiti emir to tell me how to think about it. Let's quit bickering and ROLL!!

[AndrewC]

I'm referring specifically to a case involving family members of Kuwaiti government officials who testified before Congress and who lied their @sses off in the process. Just to generate public support in the U.S. for the "liberation" of their country.

So you are of the opinion that Saddam had a right to be in Kuwait?

[nwrep]

God Bless Ann Clwyld

[ErnBatavia]

So, one charge in Kuwait is false, but that means every other charge against Saddam is untrue? Sorry, not buying it.

You made my point, thanks. My thrust here is to gently remind the more gullible that propaganda is worked on both sides of the street.

I, for one, will believe the "shredder" story when it's just a little bit more verified....call it a little quirk of mine, if you will.

[MadIvan]

This is not the first time I've heard the "shredder" story; it was in the Scotsman at one point as well.

Regards, Ivan

[Alberta's Child]

I used to live up there. Sorry about that -- I should have made that clear. LOL.

[Alberta's Child]

I can handle the truth -- there is nothing wrong with telling people the truth.

In my opinion, any war effort is diminished when a government engages in a propaganda effort like the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the U.S.S. Maine, the Lusitania, etc.

[Alberta's Child]

I've been wanting Saddam napalmed since August of '90, and I never needed any Kuwaiti emir to tell me how to think about it.

That's a bizarre statement in and of itself, considering that the complaint we had against Saddam Hussein was his invasion of Kuwait.

[Mr. Mulliner]

I don't think this has been posted here yet. This is something that has just shown up on some blogs, but is over 10 days old now.

Click on the link to listen to an exchange between an Iraqi caller and Andrea Buffa of United For Peace and Justice on KVI radio in Seattle. She squirms as she avoids answering his question, "How will leaving Saddam Hussein in power promote peace and justice in Iraq?"

Click here to listen (warning, long download for slow connections).

[error99]

Well, hell, AC,
it ain't like we're making the whole thing up.
Its OK to exagerate a little bit, ain't it?
That's just good PR, ain't it?
BUT - I agree w/you about the Maine, the Lusitania, and the Gulf of Tonkin.
However, this situation just ain't like that to me.
It does not rise to that occasion, so to speak.
This is more like saying the japs had tails
and the krauts all were satan worshippers.
We already knew they was scum,
we just needed to get people pumped up
about whoopin their satanic prehensile behinds.
At this point, its kinda like a pep-rally.
We are gonna go whoop his ass.
So, let's go whoop his ass in style.
I'll bet Saddam even eats his enemies.
Like IDI Amin did!
The cannibal bastard.

[Alberta's Child]

"We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America." --- U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie, in a meeting with Saddam Hussein on July 29, 1990.

"Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait." --- U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie, in response to a question from a journalist who repeated her original quote to Hussein, September 2, 1990.

This is not to suggest that Iraq had any "right" to invade Kuwait in 1990, but something like this makes me cynical enough to constantly question the motives of anyone who pushes the U.S. into war with another nation.

[error99]

If the PO-lice see one feller a wooping up on another feller.
They don't ask the second feller to tell them
how he wants them to punish the first feller.

[Alberta's Child]

Your comparison doesn't hold any water -- the U.S. does not function as the world's police officer, though sometimes it might seem like it does.

[Alberta's Child]

LOL. I can't match that one, now can I?