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Freep Poll: Do you agree with Pope John Paul II that war with Iraq would not be morally justified?
CNN ^ | 3/5/2003

Posted on 03/05/2003 12:59:38 PM PST by Happy Valley Dude

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:11 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]


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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blitzer; cnn; iraq; poll; pope
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1 posted on 03/05/2003 12:59:38 PM PST by Happy Valley Dude
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To: Happy Valley Dude
I do not intend to ignite a religious firestorm, but don't catholics have a bit of a dark history in this department?
(it is a question, not a statement)
2 posted on 03/05/2003 1:03:00 PM PST by ctlpdad
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To: Happy Valley Dude
To hell with this. Was 09/11/01 justified?
3 posted on 03/05/2003 1:04:00 PM PST by grobdriver
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To: Happy Valley Dude
LOL. How many atheistic communist red diaper doper babies will be eagerly voting YES I AGREE with the POPE!
4 posted on 03/05/2003 1:05:03 PM PST by Mark Felton
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To: Happy Valley Dude
Well, what do you expect the pope to say? No war is justified to his way of thinking...he probably felt the same way about his own country back in '39 when the Nazis came marching in to Warsaw!
5 posted on 03/05/2003 1:06:21 PM PST by meandog
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To: Happy Valley Dude
It's not entirely clear that this is what the Pope actually said. If he did, then it's a matter of prudential judgment rather than faith and morals, and I disagree.
6 posted on 03/05/2003 1:07:11 PM PST by Cicero
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To: ctlpdad
Yes, I think the crusades might be part of that dark past along with the burning at the stake of Jacque Demolay just because the catholic church couldn't pay back their loans to the masons so the pope's word is of little use.
7 posted on 03/05/2003 1:08:02 PM PST by samuel_adams_us
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To: Happy Valley Dude
As a Catholic, I resent the Pope getting involved in political situations. What can he possibly know about the muslims in Iraq? Given the opportunity, the muslims would assasinate the Pope as part of their Jihad. He should have given a bleesing to GWB and held a mass in his honor. The U.S. does more charitable works for POS third world countries than any other nation. The U.S. does more to prevent genocide than any other nation, the U.S. gives more food and medicine aid than any other nation and the Pope thinks we are wrong???????
8 posted on 03/05/2003 1:10:41 PM PST by chuknospam
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To: Cicero
It was a prudential judgement from what I can make of it and John Paul II is entitled to his own opinion on the matter. Though I have to say that while the media sure as hell held up the brave dissenting AmChurch folks during the sex abuse scandal as though they were some kind of saints because they dared to disagree with the evil, tyrannical Vatican(TM), they sure as hell seem to listen to what the pope has to say when it comes to his thoughts on a war with Iraq.

If only they felt the same every time he condemned the far greater tragedy of abortion.

My personal opinion is that the Holy Father believes that by adopting this stance he can safeguard the lives of thousands of Chaldean Christians who might otherwise be slaughtered if Saddam feels the need to prove his Islamist credentials, but that is my own opinion.
9 posted on 03/05/2003 1:11:50 PM PST by Angelus Errare
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To: Happy Valley Dude
Everyone knows that anything "from the Pope" is a total joke.

His brain is oatmeal and has been for at least the last three years.
Someone writes a proc. for him to sign and he signs it as if it were a dinner check.

I must admit, it amuses me how much weight it is given in the media.
10 posted on 03/05/2003 1:12:59 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: ctlpdad
I am Catholic, and believe in the Just War Doctrice. It is permitted within my faith to determine what I feel is a Just War, based on my views of the issue.
11 posted on 03/05/2003 1:13:47 PM PST by mware
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To: Happy Valley Dude
There is another thread running here where the Pope supporters have assured us that he really doesn't mean it ( SARCASM)
12 posted on 03/05/2003 1:16:32 PM PST by uncbob ( building tomorrow)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
While I disagree with the Holy Father here, your vicious attack on him is nothing short of pathetic.
13 posted on 03/05/2003 1:16:40 PM PST by Coop
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To: Happy Valley Dude
voted. currently 70-30 agreeing with the pope.
14 posted on 03/05/2003 1:18:45 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: Happy Valley Dude
voted. currently 70-30 agreeing with the pope.
15 posted on 03/05/2003 1:19:16 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: Happy Valley Dude
I just love how the liberal media trashes the Pope and Catholics, but runs to them when it fits their agaenda.
16 posted on 03/05/2003 1:27:50 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Happy Valley Dude
The Pope's credibility took a major downturn when he did that photo-op of him kissing the Koran.


17 posted on 03/05/2003 1:28:01 PM PST by ZGuy
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To: Happy Valley Dude
I respectfully disagree with the Pope.
18 posted on 03/05/2003 1:29:24 PM PST by Jhoffa_ ("HI, I'm Johnny Knoxville and this is FReepin' for Zot!")
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To: chuknospam
What can he possibly know about the muslims in Iraq?

That's a valid question, but I would point out that when the Vatican stands up and opposes a host of depraved, nihilistic radical feminist and population-control measures in the United Nations, it usually finds itself on the same side as these Islamic nations. And on the other side of the table is a group of ugly, bitter, Satanic screeching banshees from the United States and western Europe.

When the Islamic fundamentalists toppled the government in Iran in 1979 and deposed the Shah, the U.S. embassy was the second building they sacked in Tehran. The first one was the Iranian headquarters of Planned Parenthood.

Just an interesting little tidbit to put things in an interesting perspective.

19 posted on 03/05/2003 1:30:32 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: ctlpdad
I do not intend to ignite a religious firestorm, but don't catholics have a bit of a dark history in this department? (it is a question, not a statement)

Are you referring to the Dark and Middle Ages, or more recently to WWII and the Vatican Corridor?

20 posted on 03/05/2003 1:31:50 PM PST by kesg
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