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1 posted on 03/02/2003 10:45:38 AM PST by willieroe
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What did any of these people have to say when clinton bombed Yugoslavia to displace the "Monica" headlines?

38 posted on 03/02/2003 12:03:54 PM PST by meadsjn
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Should we save a woman being raped?

Should we liberate a country?

should we stop a mugging by threatening force?

Should we disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction?


the questions asked lead to the answer.
"start a war" without asking the causes, justifications, ramifications is misleading question at best.

Should you ever punch a man?
What if that man was trying to commit a robbery?
or what if it wsa in self-defence?


This report on the church positions is nothing but ading and abetting the enemy. It doesnt ask whether our reasons for war - liberation of Iraq and the removal of a terrorist-coddling dictator - are justified or not. They are.
43 posted on 03/02/2003 12:13:56 PM PST by WOSG (Liberate Iraq!!)
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Got this in an email from a friend:

This is the most proactive solution I have heard.

At a Prayer meeting last night while praying for world affairs, one of the prayer warriors mentioned the Lord waking him in the middle of the night and telling him that if one million people would pray for Sadaam Hussein to abdicate the presidency of Iraq, we would avoid war. We at the meeting promised to contact 10 believers to pray for this and to ask each believer to ask 10 more believers to pray. Please pass this on and with God's mercy, we will avoid such a conflict.

Returned this email:

We're praying for swift, complete and decisive victory!

Psalm 144:1
Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:

        Love Ya, God Bless!

44 posted on 03/02/2003 12:14:55 PM PST by Theophilus
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United Methodist Church

Isn't this group part of the Council that supports Marxism?

45 posted on 03/02/2003 12:19:23 PM PST by TrueBeliever9
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You obviously have never been to a 1611 KJV, Bible believing, Independant Baptist Church in the mountains of Western North Carolina. We are praying for these young men and women in our armed forces. Warriors of the Living and Almighty God! Is it a religious war? You bet'cha! The Living Almighty Jehovah God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. The God of the Bible vs. the dead god of the moon, descendants of Ishmael and the terrorists of the middle eastern extremists called muslims.
49 posted on 03/02/2003 12:36:40 PM PST by carolina_rn7
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/788211/posts?page=1


Hannan stands up for war on Iraq


Retired archbishop recalls Nazi horrors


11/13/02

By Bruce Nolan
Staff writer/The Times-Picayune









WASHINGTON -- It was too much for retired Archbishop Philip Hannan of New Orleans to take. As his younger brother bishops Tuesday moved toward telling President Bush how deeply skeptical they are of the morality of a war against Iraq, Hannan, at 89 still the peaceable fraternity's most reliable hawk, rose and argued the other side.

When the globe's only superpower "allows some despotic power to rule the earth, or parts of the earth, we're in terrible shape" morally and politically, he told an audience of about 250.

Hannan's colleagues at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops were discussing whether to send Bush a letter much like one their president, Bishop Wilton Gregory of Belleville Ill., sent Sept. 13.

"Based on the facts that are known to us -- a preemptive, unilateral use of force is difficult to justify at this time" under traditional Catholic teaching, Gregory wrote.

Tuesday's preliminary discussion -- led by Boston Cardinal Bernard Law, whose international committee would do the drafting -- centered simply on whether to send Bush a new message. It would be a given, Law said, that the substance would convey Gregory's skepticism, which appears to be shared by many bishops. Several rose to speak in support of the measure. That brought Hannan to his feet.

Attending as a nonvoting observer, Hannan is the senior archbishop in the United States and something of a legend among his colleagues for his relative conservatism in a generally liberal group. As a seminarian in Rome in the late 1930s, he watched Hitler and Mussolini gather power, and as a paratroops chaplain saw the devastation of World War II.

Those experiences shaped his appreciation of military strength, applied early, to oppose tyranny. For that reason, decades later, he was among a tiny handful of bishops who unsuccessfully resisted publication of a Catholic bishops' document deploring the nuclear arms race as immoral.

On Tuesday, he made much the same argument, reminding the bishops that he spoke as one who had stood in the filth of two Nazi concentration camps.

After his speech, Hannan noted that Bush has gathered United Nations support for opposing Iraq. And he said the precision weapons demonstrated in Afghanistan probably would keep Iraqi civilian casualties to a minimum.

But more to the point, Hannan lumped Saddam Hussein with communists and Nazis as notorious tyrants -- and linked him with the terrorists who attacked the United States.

"You finally come down to a situation where they can enslave whomever they wish, whomever they think is against their particular code, and that's what we cannot tolerate," he said.

"They're not realistic because (they've) never seen what is the result of absolute disregard of human rights," Hannan said of the other bishops. "They've never seen it; they don't know what the hell they're talking about."

. . . . . . .

Bruce Nolan can be reached at bnolan@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3344.





11/13/02

50 posted on 03/02/2003 12:38:17 PM PST by LadyDoc
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I'm glad someone else noticed. We recently left a Presbyterian Church due in part to the emails I received from the Presbyterian USA Church. We have since started attending a Lutheran Church. I signed up for their email too and it is a great deal less active in the area of politics/war.

I found many of the replies here very educational. I didn’t know about their support for Angela Davis.
I don’t understand the Catholic outlook. The Carmelite nuns and I’m sure others, were forced out of their homelands by the Moslems decades ago. This is nothing new and no we did not start it.

I have a book called RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES AND CUSTOMS or THE FORMS OF WORSHIP, published by HUTCHINSON and DWIER in 1836. I don’t proclaim to understand this paragraph fully but read for yourself. Found in the Chapter “Life of MAHOMET.”

“…the following quotation from Dr. Prideaux, on the moral ends of Providence, insuffering this desolating scourge to arise at that particular period of the world, which gave it birth. “At Length,” says he,
“having wearied the patience and long suffering of God, he raised up the Saracens to be the instruments of his wrath to punish them for it; who, taking advantage of the weakness of their power, and the distraction of counsels which their divisions had caused among them, overran, with a terrible devastation, all the eastern provinces of the Roman empire. And having fixed that tyranny over them which hath ever since afflicted those parts of the world, turned every where their churches into mosques, and their worship into a horrid superstition; and instead of that holy religion which they had abused, forced on them the abominable imposture of Mohomet. Thus those once glorious and most flourishing churches, for a punishment of their wickedness, being given up to the insult, ravage, and scorn of the worst of enemies, were on a sudden overwhelmed with so terrible a destruction as hath reduced them to that low and miserable condition under which they have ever since groaned; the all-wise providence of God seeming to continue them thus unto this day under the pride and persecution of Mahometan tyranny, for no other end but to be an example and warning to others against the wickedness of separation and division.”

Moslem is an old spelling of Muslim. Saracens = any Arab or any Moslem
55 posted on 03/02/2003 1:08:30 PM PST by motherof2
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David Waters is a stupid lefty.

Furthermore, he has only bothered to speak to "mainline" churches (aka, those typically more into a social gospel and activism instead of THE Gospel).

If he would have bothered to come to my church (the Reformed Presbyterian Church), he would have seen we love Dubya and trust that he will do what is right; if we can do this without war, wonderful. But, if we must go to war, we trust that he is leaning on God and we trust that God's purposes will be fulfilled, as they ALWAYS are.

56 posted on 03/02/2003 1:12:36 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.")
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A question I would like to ask them. Don't the Iraqi people deserve a chance to be free?
58 posted on 03/02/2003 1:37:49 PM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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I can't find a single major Christian denomination that says yes.

Lie.

61 posted on 03/02/2003 1:44:11 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Sometimes "peace" is another word for surrender.)
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Thank heaven and Martin Luther for my Missouri Synod Lutheran church.

There's a lotta church doors around here that I'd like to post 95 pro-American theses on.

Leni

64 posted on 03/02/2003 1:52:14 PM PST by MinuteGal (THIS JUST IN ! Astonishing fare reduction for FReeps Ahoy Cruise! Check it out, pronto!)
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The Muslim terrorists started this war and will stop at nothing to see our way of life and/or us dead-the so called Christian, socalled leaders are trying to deny us the right to defend ourselves. Seems the Devil has everyone on his side.

I will bet the farm on one thing though: I'll bet that everyone of those so called Christian Churches are dues paying members to the National and/or World Council of Churches, who proved they are the devils own throughout the cold war.
65 posted on 03/02/2003 2:00:52 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (By their works you shall know them.)
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Should we continue to allow thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqis to be murdered?

Should we "turn the other cheek" and do nothing to protect what could potentially be millions of innocent Americans killed by weapons of WMD's?

How many thousands of innocents have to be killed before you pious bible-thumpers think war would be appropriate? 1000? 10,000? 100,000? No? Ahhhh....now I get it. You're just anti-war regardless of the situation. Why didn't you just say that? Being a pacifist isn't a sin.

But bearing false witness is.

70 posted on 03/02/2003 2:37:33 PM PST by geedee
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1. We are not starting a war with Iraq.
2. We are enforcing UN Security Council resolution 1441.
3. We are going to relieve Saddam of his duties.
4. We are going to assist the Iraqis establish a new democratic state.
5. We are going to find and destroy Saddam's cache of WMDs.

If in our mission to bring about a better world in the mideast we should come under attack... we would have no recourse than to defend ourselves.

71 posted on 03/02/2003 3:14:54 PM PST by alieno nomine
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1) We didn't start this war, it is an extension of the Gulf War.
2) I'm proud to be a Southern Baptist. We fully understand God's view of war and when it is just and necessary.
3) Has anyone heard Charles Stanley's sermon on war? Check out this link:
http://www.intouch.org/War/index_38027182.html
72 posted on 03/02/2003 3:36:45 PM PST by mrfixit514
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Well we are attending an ELCA church now in a more conservative area. Part of the prayer today was for peace, but for peace that will be brought by our troops and a prayer specifically for our troops and our president. The prayer as I heard it recognized that peace can only be obtained by using our military and further asking for blessings on that military. The actual organizations don't always represent the individual churches.
74 posted on 03/02/2003 5:13:41 PM PST by glory
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I wonder where the ACLU is when they can actually defend against intrusion by the church in state policy.
80 posted on 03/02/2003 6:44:43 PM PST by pfflier
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This guy is not looking in the right places if he can't find a Church that agrees we should go to war. There are plenty of them out there. Some he listed are always against war, but then, he knew that.
90 posted on 03/03/2003 10:51:18 PM PST by ladyinred
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