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Churches Sound as One Voice (Do Not Initiate a War, They All Say)
The Commercial Appeal, Memphis ^ | March 2, 2003 | David Waters

Posted on 03/02/2003 10:45:38 AM PST by willieroe

In recent months, Americans have been asking each other a vital question:

Should we go to war?

Many of America's church leaders are responding to a different question that seems more to the point:

Should we start a war?

No, say leaders of the United Methodist Church, a denomination whose members include President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

"A preemptive war by the United States against a nation like Iraq goes against the very grain of our understanding of the Gospel, our church's teachings, and our conscience," wrote Sharon Brown Christopher, president of the United Methodist Council of Bishops.

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Should we start a war?

No, say leaders of the Episcopal Church, a denomination whose members include Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Powell.

"We believe a preemptive strike against Iraq, with the overwhelming force such a strike may require to attain an expedient victory, may have many unintended consequences, including unacceptable civilian casualties. Further, in this instance, we do not support a decision to go to war without clear and convincing evidence of the need for us to defend ourselves against an imminent attack," wrote the House of Bishops.

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Should we start a war?

No, say leaders of the Church of God in Christ.

"We do not find any moral justification for a preemptive strike in the absence of an attack, or real threat of an attack, upon the United States. A military strike of this nature puts the United States in the posture of aggressive warfare, not defense, which is precisely the behavior we, and your administration, deplore in the Iraqi regime," the COGIC Board of Bishops wrote to Bush.

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Should we start a war?

No, say leaders of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

"Our bishops' conference continues to question the moral legitimacy of any preemptive, unilateral use of military force to overthrow the government of Iraq. To permit preemptive or preventive uses of military force to overthrow threatening or hostile regimes would create deeply troubling moral and legal precedents. Based on the facts that are known, it is difficult to justify resort to war against Iraq, lacking clear and adequate evidence of an imminent attack of a grave nature or Iraq's involvement in the terrorist attacks of September 11," wrote Bishop Wilton Gregory.

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Should we start a war?

No, say leaders of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the Orthodox Church in America, the Christian Church (The Disciples of Christ), the United Church of Christ and the American Baptist Churches in the USA.

No, say leaders of the National Baptist Convention, the Progressive National Baptist Convention and the African Methodist Episcopal Church.

No, say the Quakers, Mennonites, Brethren and Unitarians.

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Should we start a war?

I can't find a single major Christian denomination that says yes.

Contact columnist David Waters at 529-2399 or e-mail waters@gomemphis.com. Faith Matters runs on Wednesdays, Saturdays and Sundays.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: iraq; liberals; ncc; religion; religiousleft; war
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1 posted on 03/02/2003 10:45:38 AM PST by willieroe
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To: willieroe
We did not start this. It has already begun. 9/11
2 posted on 03/02/2003 10:48:02 AM PST by bannie (Carrying the burdon of being a bad speller)
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To: willieroe
This is total misrepresentation. This only mentions liberal churches, not the entire Evangelical movement.

Try the Southern Baptists, Church of God, or Assembly of God.

3 posted on 03/02/2003 10:49:26 AM PST by TommyDale (Give us all a break.)
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To: willieroe
One of the reasons I gave up on denominational Christianity long ago. I don't need a church, a minister and a congregation to form my relationship with God and Christ, especially when the "church" is becoming more of a "community center" than a place of worship, and ministers are becoming more "counselors" than preachers and enablers of salvation.
4 posted on 03/02/2003 10:51:28 AM PST by clintonh8r (It is better to be feared than to be respected.)
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To: willieroe
"remder that unto caesar which is ceasar's, and that unto God which is God's."

dep

5 posted on 03/02/2003 10:55:07 AM PST by dep
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To: TommyDale
Just another reason that I'm glad that my little Missionary Baptist church is independent.
6 posted on 03/02/2003 10:57:35 AM PST by GOP_Proud
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To: willieroe
These "religious leaders" quoted here all seem to have their heads far up their holy butts!
7 posted on 03/02/2003 10:57:46 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: TommyDale
Mainline churches all belong to the NATIONAL COUNCIL OF CHURCHES and are totally corrupted by left-wingers.

EVERY DIME OF CONTRIBUTIONS AND TITHES GO TO THIS ANTI-AMERICAN ORGANIZATION.

Add fundamental Bible churches to your approved list.... Their seminary is Dallas Theological Seminary and it's rock solid conservative.
8 posted on 03/02/2003 11:00:09 AM PST by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: willieroe
Methodist, Episcopal, Lutheran, Brethren, Presbyterian, Mennonite....

Aren't these the same dying denominations we keep reading about?

Mabye there is a reason these denominations are in the shape they are in.
9 posted on 03/02/2003 11:01:05 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: willieroe
I thought liberals were for the "Separation of Church & State."
10 posted on 03/02/2003 11:03:52 AM PST by Kuksool
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To: TommyDale
Why do liberals only listen to religious leaders when it comes to war, but not abortion, not crime/punishment,etc.?
11 posted on 03/02/2003 11:04:11 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: willieroe
The ancient formula for tyrannical success --

Witch Doctors and Tribal Chiefs - Faith and Force.

12 posted on 03/02/2003 11:04:49 AM PST by thinktwice
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To: TommyDale
I do not agree with all the the philosophy of the church I attend, but it is difficult to find a church where everyone agrees about everything. This one just comes the closest to my core beliefs and I need that attachment...some people don't. I've found that "associations" and "organizations" don't always represent the true will of the people they represent. I'd venture a guess that many members don't even know that their church is associated with some of these organizations nor do they even know that those organizations issue statements on their behalf.
13 posted on 03/02/2003 11:05:52 AM PST by GOP_Proud
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To: willieroe
From the article, "I can't find a single major Christian denomination that says yes."

Then he ain't looked hard enough.

14 posted on 03/02/2003 11:08:58 AM PST by Texas2step
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I can't find a single major Christian denomination that says yes.

The Unitarians? When did they become a major Christian denomination? I must have blinked when it happened.

Many of the "churches" listed don't "say yes" to a lot of things: keeping pedophiles away from children, condemning abortion, allowing weapons for personal protection, and even ownership of private property.

A couple of of those nominally-Christian denominations listed also have a fair number of officials who have a hard time saying yes to the divinity of Jesus Christ and the primacy of Scripture-- which is why many people like me have an easy time saying "NO" to these organizations.

15 posted on 03/02/2003 11:10:25 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: willieroe
The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is not the "Catholic Church." The Pope is not the "Catholic Church." The "Catholic Church," for purposes of deciding issues of this kind, is what has been taught always and everywhere by the Popes and the bishops in union with him. And what that is, is the principles of a just war. It is up to those in public office, and all citizens, to apply those principles to the facts at hand, and make a judgment.

That is why the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops should issue restatements of the relevant timeless moral principles involved, but should refrain from issuing statements about particular, immediate, contingent matters.

16 posted on 03/02/2003 11:11:03 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: willieroe
It's a false question, we aren't staring a war, we are ending one. And yes, the writer apparently only recognizes churches with liberal leaders. They didn't ask my church, which is by design independent and does not have idiot liberals in leadership like those he quotes.

Besides, God had Israel start wars against many peoples. These liberals must have taken that out of their Bibles, or don't believe the word of God is relevent.
17 posted on 03/02/2003 11:11:09 AM PST by Iowegian
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To: Texas2step
From the article, "I can't find a single major Christian denomination that says yes."

Then he ain't looked hard enough.

It all depends on your definition of "major". < /smirk >

18 posted on 03/02/2003 11:13:21 AM PST by Salman
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To: willieroe
Here's a mostly pro-war viewpoint from an Orthodox priest.

editorial

"War is evil. But it is necessary when peace and good order are threatened. This basic fact has been glossed over by years of leftist propaganda in the media and especially in education."

"America too was established by God-fearing men who founded that great nation on the basic Christian values, paying tribute to the virtues of sacrifice, honour and courage. Now we are being told that this is all bigotry and we have to consider other religions. We must not offend others with the truth. Not that the left cares about religion. The left hates absolutes except in its own godless religion of socialism."

"When I see the ‘No War’ stickers, I wonder whether these people driving their SUVs would start riding bicycles to avoid our need for oil. Would they stop flying in jets? Do they ever consider the brave men and women who gave their lives for the peace we enjoy?"

"Perhaps we as Orthodox Christians are waging a rear-guard action. Nevertheless it is our duty to sacrifice ourselves as did those before us for what is true, honest, just, pure, is lovely, or of good report.. (Phil 4: 8)"

19 posted on 03/02/2003 11:14:07 AM PST by MarMema
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To: Humidston
}EVERY DIME OF CONTRIBUTIONS AND TITHES GO TO THIS ANTI-AMERICAN ORGANIZATION.

Making such absurd statements makes everything else you say also look ridiculous.

20 posted on 03/02/2003 11:15:28 AM PST by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history.)
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