Lincoln statue "symbol of liberty''

Richmond Times-Dispatch ^ | Feb. 25, 2003 | Jeremy Redmon

[southcarolina]

City Council members vowed to tell Richmond's Civil War history in a different way, starting with their endorsement last night of an Abraham Lincoln statue for the city.

Richmond has an abundance of monuments to Confederate heroes such as those on Monument Avenue, but it has few reminders of the abolition of slavery, a few council members contended.

[southcarolina]

More outstanding journalistic bias. The two voices against the Lincoln statue are from the "European American Unity and Rights Organization,'' and someone identified as a "pro-white'' activist. That automatically tars anyone who doesn't want the statue as a racist. There's no better way to discredit a viewpoint you disagree with than by digging up the most disreputable advocate of that opinion that you can find.

[WhiskeyPapa]

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[Arkie2]

Can't wait for the statue of Sherman in Atlanta. He was the great liberator you know.

[southcarolina]

Better yet, why not put a statue of Sherman in every town from Atlanta to North Carolina that he and his band of cretins destroyed. There'd be so many statues that they'd run short of sculpting materials. Nothing I like better than having unity and diversity rammed down my throat.

[ml/nj]

Can't wait for the statue of Sherman in Atlanta. He was the great liberator you know.

LOL ! (really)

ML/NJ

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[Arkinsaw]

The anti-Lincoln stuff started out as a sarcastic response to opponents who tarred Robert E. Lee and other Confederate notables. The taking Lincoln quotes out of their context and judging them by modern standards started out as a response to those on the other side to point out the foolishness of it.

Now its taken on a life of its own and my fellow pro-Confederates regularly judge Lincoln by modern standards while at the same time decrying the judgment of Confederate notables by those modern standards.

What started out as legitimate rhetoric to point out hypocrisy has graduated to hypocrisy in its own right.

This is what opened the door for the David Dukes and the Euro-White People Organization or whatever. Now they have taken up the meme as their own, which results in the opportunity for these journalists to associate the rest of us with them.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans used to lay a wreath at Lincoln's grave each year as a recognition of his desire to reconstruct the country without harsh measures or recriminations. Now we have the Euro-Morons to deal with.

The worst damage that can be done to Southern history and the memory of Confederate soldiers is to take them out of the American pantheon.

Enough with the anti-Lincoln stuff already. Say something good about General Lee instead.

[SCDogPapa]

Nothing I like better than having unity and diversity rammed down my throat.

You are not by yourself.

[SCDogPapa]

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[billbears]

Lincoln is just the beginning," Vice Mayor Delores L. McQuinn said. "For those of you who don't think other statues should be here except for the Confederacy, then you haven't seen anything yet. I am going to go out of my way to try and diversify the statues."

I swear, the unholy crap Southerners have to put up with. If the north wants a memorial to a tyrant, thief, and dictator that's just fine. But stop pushing the lies down here. Not to mention the evident arrogance of this 'vice mayor'. We have to be just like the north now I suppose. Well enough d#mn yankees down here we might as well be. The Republic is dead, welcome to the Empire

[4CJ]

It is amazing that those who tout tolerance are the most untolerent in America.

As long as there is opposition, these maroons cannot suceed. The tide is turning, they are getting desperate to whitewash our history and prevent us from honoring our ancestors, and those brave men, black and white, that fought against the tyrant.

[jlogajan]

that fought against the tyrant.

Ha ha, slave holders complaining about infringements on freedom. I always get a laugh out of watching that.

[billbears]

Ha ha, slave holders complaining about infringements on freedom. I always get a laugh out of watching that.

How typical. No argument, just name calling. Better get Mr. Cut & Paste in to give you an argument to stand on. Of course, it's just reprints of 'select' documents that ignore factual evidence, but hey it's better than sounding like the fat kid on the Simpsons

Another LULLABY argument is, that taking slaves to new countries does not increase their number-alms not make any one slave who otherwise would be free. There is some truth in this, and I am glad of it, but it [is] not WHOLLY true. The African slave trade is not yet effectually suppressed; and if we make a reasonable deduction for the white people amongst us, who are foreigners, and the descendants of foreigners, arriving here since 1808, we shall find the increase of the black population out-running that of the white, to an extent unaccountable, except by supposing that some of them too, have been coming from Africa

Let it not be said I am contending for the establishment of political and social equality between the whites and blacks. I have already said the contrary. I am not now combating the argument of NECESSITY, arising from the fact that the blacks are already amongst us; but I am combating what is set up as MORAL argument for allowing them to be taken where they have never yet been--arguing against the EXTENSION of a bad thing, which where it already exists, we must of necessity, manage as we best can

Whether slavery shall go into Nebraska, or other new territories, is not a matter of exclusive concern to the people who may go there. The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these territories. We want them for the homes of free white people. This they cannot be, to any considerable extent, if slavery shall be planted within them. Slave States are places for poor white people to remove FROM; not to remove TO. New free States are the places for poor people to go to and better their condition. For this use, the nation needs these territories.--abraham lincoln, 1854

Glad to see abe cared so much for the slaves< /sarcasm>

[jlogajan]

The fact is, Lincoln personally pushed the 13th amendment through the House of Representatives before one of those "southern gentlemen" shot him in the back.

The fact is that within two years of the emancipation proclamation, there were no slaves anywhere in the America, even though the 13th Amendment was still in the process of being ratified.

The fact is that the northern states abolished slavery shortly after it became possible to do so with the loss of southern votes to maintain that institution.

The 13th amendment abolishing slavery had massive approval in the Senate, more than 2/3rds in the House (thanks to Lincoln's pressure) and was ratified by the States.

The fact is that the stated reason for the southern states to secede was almost entirely due to the growing anti-slave voting power of the north and new states.

The fact is that six states seceded before Lincoln was even sworn in, therefore they rejected the US Constitution and can claim no protection from it.

The seceding states made war on the US -- the south consisted of a bunch of treasonous slave masters.

Those are the facts.

[GOPyouth]

Ha ha, slave holders complaining about infringements on freedom. I always get a laugh out of watching that.

Yeah, that cracks me up, too. I suppose these are the same people who were calling for us not to retaliate after Pearl Harbor and 9-11 as well. We all know about the War of Western Aggression that started in 1941. And how could we forget the War of Western Aggression II that kicked off in 2001!!!

I really wish people would accept the fact that America will defend herself when attacked. It doesn't matter whether it's a group of people within our borders who attack us (civil war), or Japs attacking in 1941, or terrorists attacking in 2001.. Don't expect us to sit back and allow it.

[billbears]

The fact is, Lincoln personally pushed the 13th amendment through the House of Representatives before one of those "southern gentlemen" shot him in the back.

LOL, which 13th Amendment would that be?

ARTICLE THIRTEEN
No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.--passed March 2, 1861

I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution . . . has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid misconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose, not to speak of particular amendments, so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable--abraham lincoln March 4,1861 First Inaugural Address

Ooops!! Wrong amendment I guess...

The fact is that within two years of the emancipation proclamation, there were no slaves anywhere in the America, even though the 13th Amendment was still in the process of being ratified

Well that's another big one now isn't it?

Thousand of slaves were still owned by Indians, which were foreign nations as far as the Constitution was concerned. It was necessary to negotiate treaties with each of them to end slavery. A treaty with the Seminoles was concluded March 21, 1866; The Choctaws and Chickasaws on April 28, 1866; the Creeks on June 14, 1866; and the Cherokees on July 19, 1866.

Now, surely slavery was over in the United States. Well, not quite. When Maryland voluntarily abolished slavery in 1864, it adopted an apprenticeship system which forced about 10,000 Negro youths into forced labor. It was not until 1867 that the system was banned.

The fact is that the northern states abolished slavery shortly after it became possible to do so with the loss of southern votes to maintain that institution

Interesting isn't it that Maryland was a state on the northern side? Forceably so, but still proves this point wrong. Of course we won't even begin discussing such lovely laws in Illinois and Oregon that didn't even allow blacks to live there, shall we?

The 13th amendment abolishing slavery had massive approval in the Senate, more than 2/3rds in the House (thanks to Lincoln's pressure) and was ratified by the States.

lincoln's pressure you call it? As a matter of fact, although passed in April 1864 by the Senate, with a vote of 38 to 6, the required two-thirds majority was defeated in the House of Representatives by a vote of 93 to 65. Abolishing slavery was almost exclusively a Republican party effort--only four Democrats voted for it. You'd think that all these folks you claim who cared so much about slavery would have passed it outright in '64 now wouldn't you? Alas, the tyrant did add it to the union platform in '64 (that's right, the Republican party was so well loved up north he ran on a different ticket in '64) and with promises to those that would vote with him it passed.

As it is late, I will address the other falsehoods you present tomorrow.

[billbears]

I really wish people would accept the fact that America will defend herself when attacked

I really wish people would quit saying they live in a prepositional article and use the name of the d#mn country for once. Canadians and Mexicans are just as much 'American' as we are. They live on the American continent don't they?We are citizens of are respective states that are encompassed in these United StateS

And FWIW, I don't remember one Confederate soldier crossing any nation's borders until we were attacked. Or I guess that ship lincoln sent was really full of blankets and food. Those union soldiers must have just hopped on somewhere down the line, huh?

[ConservaChick]

i am from west virginia and consider myself a southerner.It appears from other posts here that i am in the minority on this subject but, i agree with this.
I get tired (and suprised) by the Lincoln bashing here.
Personaly, i think Lincon was one of our 2 greatest presidents.The reason the south succeded was slavery.
THere were some other issues but slavery was THE issue that inflamed the south against the north and Lincon.You can say it was "states rights" but that(slavery) was the only "right" they were concerned with possibly losing.tHe south had also become enraged by the anti-slavery movement that had grown out of the northern churches.

I understand southern pride in there history and there anstors who fought and died.Most of those men (i believe) thought they were fighting for there honor instead of slavery but, in fact it WAS slavery they fought to preserve.I had anstors who fought on both sides,and at least one anstor who owned slaves.I an glad the north won.yes, there were awful thing done to the south, but in wars that always happens.Both sides were bitter.

IMO our country (both sides) would have been weaker without the other.

[jlogajan]

I don't remember one Confederate soldier crossing any nation's borders until we were attacked.

The treasonous slave holders were attacking and seizing federal forts.

Neither the Kaiser, Hitler, nor Saddam have attacked us either. I suppose Hirohito did, but then again, Hawaii was more Asian than European, so maybe he had better dibs on it. Oh we were such evil tyrannts to turn them into grease spots. Woe is we.

[jlogajan]

i am from west virginia and consider myself a southerner

No one living today is responsible for the actions of people 140 years ago, south, north, east or west. However, those of today who identify with the slave holders of the past reveal their true hearts. It has nothing to do with being a modern southerner.