Posted on 01/25/2003 1:37:56 AM PST by JohnHuang2
Echoing reports made immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, several eyewitnesses claim in a new report by London's Daily Mirror that they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed in rural Pennsylvania -- prompting the unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane.
Although the evident onboard struggle between hijackers and passengers immortalized by the courageous "Let's roll" call to action by Todd Beamer became one of the enduring memories of that disastrous day, the actual cause of Flight 93's crash, of the four hijacked jumbo jets, remains the most unclear.
The Mirror report quotes multiple residents in and around Shanksville, Pa., describing the crash as they saw it, several claiming to have seen a second plane - an unmarked military-style jet. According to the report:
Mcelwain, who said that at the time she was unaware of the other three plane crashes, added, "It was only when I got home and saw the TV that I realized it wasn't the white jet, but Flight 93."
It was when she heard authorities deny the existence of the other plane that she became concerned, said Mcelwain, noting: "The plane I saw was heading right to the point where Flight 93 crashed and must have been there at the very moment it came down. There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.
"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven't found one like it on the Internet. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets. The FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.
"Then they changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000 ft. up.
"But I saw it and it was there before the crash and it was 40 ft. above my head. They did not want my story - nobody here did."
"I heard this real loud noise coming over my head," he told the Mirror. "I looked up and it was Flight 93, barely 50 ft. above me. It was coming down in a 45 degree and rocking from side to side. Then the nose suddenly dipped and it just crashed into the ground. There was this big fireball and then a huge cloud of smoke."
At the time, Purbaugh was working at the Rollock Inc. scrap yard on a ridge overlooking the crash site less than half a mile away.
Did he see another plane? asked the Mirror. "Yes, there was another plane. I didn't get a good look," said Lee, "but it was white and it circled the area about twice and then it flew off over the horizon."
The report cites other disturbing evidence at odds with the official scenario that passengers overpowered the four highjackers and forced the plane down, preventing it from crashing into a presumed high-profile intended target like the White House or the Capitol. For instance, the Mirror reports some witnesses' claims that they could see smoke and flames coming out of Flight 93 as it fell, indicating a possible onboard explosion. Far more disturbing is the question of whether a U.S. fighter pilot shot down the jumbo jet to stop its being used as a giant missile, as the other three hijacked planes had been that morning.
Of course, well founded uncertainly as to just what happened to Flight 93 is nothing new. Just three days after the worst terrorist attack in American history, on Sept. 14, 2001, The (Bergen County, N.J.) Record newspaper reported that five eyewitnesses reported seeing a second plane at the Flight 93 crash site.
"In separate interviews," reported the Record, "five residents who live and work less than four miles from the crash site said they saw a second plane flying erratically within minutes of the crash of the Boeing 757 that took off from Newark two hours earlier Tuesday morning."
One of the witnesses early on was Susan Mcelwain. Two others were Dennis Decker and Rick Chaney, who were at work making wooden pallets when they heard an explosion and came running outside to watch a large mushroom cloud spreading over the ridge.
"As soon as we looked up, we saw a mid-sized jet flying low and fast," Decker told the Record. "It appeared to make a loop or part of a circle, and then it turned fast and headed out. " Describing the plane as a Lear-jet type, with engines mounted near the tail and painted white with no identifying markings, Decker said, "If you were here to see it, you'd have no doubt. It was a jet plane, and it had to be flying real close when that 757 went down."
"If I was the FBI," he added, "I'd find out who was driving that plane."
That same day, reported the Record, FBI Special Agent William Crowley said investigators could not rule out that a second plane was nearby during the crash. He later said he had misspoken, dismissing rumors that a U.S. military jet had intercepted the plane before it could strike a target in Washington, D.C.
Although government officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, they were informed the flight was suspected of having been hijacked at 9:16 am, fully 50 minutes before the plane came down.
The Daily Mirror cites other factors bolstering the case for a possible shootdown of UA Flight 93:
'A horrendous decision'
On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney, being interviewed by Tim Russert, while not addressing Flight 93 specifically, spoke clearly to the administration's clear policy regarding shooting down hijacked jets.
"Vice President Cheney: Well, the -- I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft.
"Russert: And you decided?
"Cheney: We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time...
"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate.
"Russert: So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?
"Cheney: Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?
"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, "I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York."
Yes, I have no doubt; this guy's full of sh!t.
The C-21A is a twin turbofan engine aircraft used for cargo and passenger airlift. The aircraft is the military version of the Lear Jet 35A business jet. In addition to providing cargo and passenger airlift, the aircraft is capable of transporting litters during medical evacuations.
Bob, our military has damn near every aircraft that is available to civilians lying somewhere in this world.
Yes, there is one that I know of. A C-21, but it looks nothing like what this clown was describing. They said F-16s were sent up, and F-16s do not even remotely come close to looking like what he described. Also, a C-21 is unarmed.
As far as I know, both aircraft have been mothballed for years. I flew on a C-140 in 1986, and the Air Force only had 3 of them in the entire inventory, all assigned to AFCC, and all were ops eval aircraft.
As I said in my correction (post #50), I was actually referring to Air Force fighters. Again, sorry for my mistake.
I believe it was......
2 reasons
1. There is evidence. 2. The government says it wasn't.
LOL, roger that.
Regards.
Cleveland: 93 go ahead.Executive 956: Is that aircraft youre talking about eastbound?
Cleveland: Hes just turned to the east of you, United 93 do you hear Cleveland Center? American 1060 and Executive 956, we just lost the target on that aircraft.
Executive 956: Executive 956, we had a visual on it, just stand by.
Cleveland: You have a visual on it now?
Executive 956: We did, but we lost it in the turn.
Cleveland: You can make a turn back to 220 heading, let me know if you can see him.
Executive 956: Hes still there. Weve got him.
Cleveland: Hes still there, er, what, about 25 miles? Executive 956: Affirmative.
Cleveland: Vector 956, turning 180.
Executive 956: Er, negative turning 956, he appears to be heading right towards us.
Cleveland: American 1060 do you see anybody north-west of you, can you see back that far there?
American 1060: Were looking now, sir.
Cleveland: United 93 Cleveland do you still hear the Center. United 93 do you still hear Cleveland. United 93, United 93 do you hear Cleveland? United 93, United 93 Cleveland. United 93, United 93 do you hear Cleveland Center?
Cleveland (2): Do you see any, ah, activity on your right side, smoke or anything like that?
American 1060: Negative. Were searching. Yeah, we do have a smoke puff now at about, uh, oh probably two oclock. There appears to be just a spire up like a puff of black smoke.
It's clear that both American Flight 1060 and Executive 956 were right in the area. Enough so that they could see UA93 in flight and the puff of smoke from the crash. They certainly would have reported a military aircraft in the area if they saw one. Either one of these or both could have been what the witnesses saw.
If you want to hear the original tape yourself, go here. But fair warning, you will get emotional listening to it.
On page one the lead story is- America under seige, by Sandra Lepley, Daily American Staff Writer. I offer the following text of paragraphs # 5, 6, 7, 8, & 9.
The hijacking panic in the air was recorded just before the crash at 9:58 a.m. when a man said he was a passenger locked in a bathroom aboard United Flight 93 called 911 on his cell phone and repeatedly told officials the call was not a hoax.
"We are being hijacked, we are being hijacked!" dispatch supervisor Glenn Cramer from Westmoreland County quoted the man from a transcript of the call.
The man told dispatchers the plane "was going down. He heard some sort of explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane and we lost contact with him, " Cramer said.
FBI agent Wells Morrison, the special agent on scene who is handling media questions, wouldn't confirm that the plane was hijacked, but said the FBI was reviewing the tape of the 911 call.
"At this point, we're not prepared to say it was an act of terrorism, though it appears to be that," Morrison said.
I did a search also when you posted the other thread and didn't find this one. Must have been in the FR archives.
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