Posted on 01/25/2003 1:37:56 AM PST by JohnHuang2
Echoing reports made immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, several eyewitnesses claim in a new report by London's Daily Mirror that they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed in rural Pennsylvania -- prompting the unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane.
Although the evident onboard struggle between hijackers and passengers – immortalized by the courageous "Let's roll" call to action by Todd Beamer – became one of the enduring memories of that disastrous day, the actual cause of Flight 93's crash, of the four hijacked jumbo jets, remains the most unclear.
The Mirror report quotes multiple residents in and around Shanksville, Pa., describing the crash as they saw it, several claiming to have seen a second plane - an unmarked military-style jet. According to the report:
Mcelwain, who said that at the time she was unaware of the other three plane crashes, added, "It was only when I got home and saw the TV that I realized it wasn't the white jet, but Flight 93."
It was when she heard authorities deny the existence of the other plane that she became concerned, said Mcelwain, noting: "The plane I saw was heading right to the point where Flight 93 crashed and must have been there at the very moment it came down. There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.
"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven't found one like it on the Internet. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets. The FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.
"Then they changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000 ft. up.
"But I saw it and it was there before the crash and it was 40 ft. above my head. They did not want my story - nobody here did."
"I heard this real loud noise coming over my head," he told the Mirror. "I looked up and it was Flight 93, barely 50 ft. above me. It was coming down in a 45 degree and rocking from side to side. Then the nose suddenly dipped and it just crashed into the ground. There was this big fireball and then a huge cloud of smoke."
At the time, Purbaugh was working at the Rollock Inc. scrap yard on a ridge overlooking the crash site less than half a mile away.
Did he see another plane? asked the Mirror. "Yes, there was another plane. I didn't get a good look," said Lee, "but it was white and it circled the area about twice and then it flew off over the horizon."
The report cites other disturbing evidence at odds with the official scenario that passengers overpowered the four highjackers and forced the plane down, preventing it from crashing into a presumed high-profile intended target like the White House or the Capitol. For instance, the Mirror reports some witnesses' claims that they could see smoke and flames coming out of Flight 93 as it fell, indicating a possible onboard explosion. Far more disturbing is the question of whether a U.S. fighter pilot shot down the jumbo jet to stop its being used as a giant missile, as the other three hijacked planes had been that morning.
Of course, well founded uncertainly as to just what happened to Flight 93 is nothing new. Just three days after the worst terrorist attack in American history, on Sept. 14, 2001, The (Bergen County, N.J.) Record newspaper reported that five eyewitnesses reported seeing a second plane at the Flight 93 crash site.
"In separate interviews," reported the Record, "five residents who live and work less than four miles from the crash site said they saw a second plane flying erratically within minutes of the crash of the Boeing 757 that took off from Newark two hours earlier Tuesday morning."
One of the witnesses early on was Susan Mcelwain. Two others were Dennis Decker and Rick Chaney, who were at work making wooden pallets when they heard an explosion and came running outside to watch a large mushroom cloud spreading over the ridge.
"As soon as we looked up, we saw a mid-sized jet flying low and fast," Decker told the Record. "It appeared to make a loop or part of a circle, and then it turned fast and headed out. " Describing the plane as a Lear-jet type, with engines mounted near the tail and painted white with no identifying markings, Decker said, "If you were here to see it, you'd have no doubt. It was a jet plane, and it had to be flying real close when that 757 went down."
"If I was the FBI," he added, "I'd find out who was driving that plane."
That same day, reported the Record, FBI Special Agent William Crowley said investigators could not rule out that a second plane was nearby during the crash. He later said he had misspoken, dismissing rumors that a U.S. military jet had intercepted the plane before it could strike a target in Washington, D.C.
Although government officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, they were informed the flight was suspected of having been hijacked at 9:16 am, fully 50 minutes before the plane came down.
The Daily Mirror cites other factors bolstering the case for a possible shootdown of UA Flight 93:
'A horrendous decision'
On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney, being interviewed by Tim Russert, while not addressing Flight 93 specifically, spoke clearly to the administration's clear policy regarding shooting down hijacked jets.
"Vice President Cheney: Well, the -- I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft.
"Russert: And you decided?
"Cheney: We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time...
"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate.
"Russert: So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?
"Cheney: Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?
"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, "I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York."
Would that be any less true even if the plane WAS shot down? And would those onboard who fought to overcome the hijackers be any less heroes? I don't see that the ultimate outcome changes no matter the exact reason it went down at exactly that time and place. Now put your tinfoil hat back on like a good FReeper. ;-)
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For those that don't know what it looks like. It looks as though it would have been a blast to fly.
"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, "I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York." >>
If my country's feral gummint, at any level, wants me to accept that it can order the Armed Forces of The United States Of America to kill me and my fellow Americans then I insist it get the hell out of my way and stop impeding my God-Given Right to own and carry the means to defend myself. Had the United States Of America's Constitution been observed on September 11 2001, the only people dead would have been the 19 islamanazi savages my country's feral gummint; at what, for eight awful years, passed for its highest level; effectively aided and abetted in their murderously barbaric attack upon US. Tough? I can handle that.
Last I heard, it's STILL our government's policy in the event of another highjacking.
Heaven forbid if we let pilots and passengers arm themselves.
I don't see where the missles launch from this plane...
Maybe it took down Flight 93 with a barrage of rum & cokes?
The only lethal thing it carried was my boot knife, and still I don't like these "conspiracy theories." I believe they take away the focus of the real enemy---Radical Islam.
Sorry, I should have specified Air Force fighter aircraft. Even at that -- your picture doesn't show an unmarked aircraft with its engines mounted near the tail. I still think the guy's full of it.
Flying at better than 1000 MPH, that military aircraft could have arrived from a long way off in minutes...
More blame America conspiracy theory propaganda...
Something like 400 people claimed---and many of them reported to LE---that they SAW a missle-like object go UP FROM the ground and hit TWA 800, and it was totally dismissed by the govt, with claims that that would be impossible because no navy ship/sub was in the area at the time.
But now, we KNOW that some Muslim "bad guys" DO HAVE PORTABLE MISSLE ROCKET LAUNCHERS in the US---because they TRIED to shoot down ANOTHER plane recently and barely missed. I don't recall where it was, but it seems like it was just three or four months ago. Does anyone else remember the incident?
Also, several months ago, I PERSONALLY saw a large WHITE jet (e.g. MD 80, 757 size, not LEAR jet size) fly over me about 100 feet or so or LOWER. It was flying WAY TOO LOW for the area.
The closest military airport is about 10 miles away from the location and the closest civilian airport which could handle a plane that size is about 25 miles away. There is NO reason it should be flying that low in that location---but it WAS!
Unfortunately, I had a camera with me, but I didn't think about photographing it until it had passed. My first instinct was to call 911 and report it, which I did (so there is a record of my call).
I don't doubt for a minute that the Air Force has Lears or even aircraft that look like Lears. My comment was in reference to unmarked white aircraft capable of shooting down an airliner. I'll defer to the zoomies on this one and refrain from further comment.
Well for what it's worth as well: I worked with a fellow former Marine who still had buddies in the Pentagon and working around Andrews AFB as well. The feedback that we were getting was that this plane had DEFINATELY shot down.
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