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Was United Flight 93 shot down on Sept. 11?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Saturday, January 25, 2003

Posted on 01/25/2003 1:37:56 AM PST by JohnHuang2

Echoing reports made immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, several eyewitnesses claim in a new report by London's Daily Mirror that they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed in rural Pennsylvania -- prompting the unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane.

Although the evident onboard struggle between hijackers and passengers – immortalized by the courageous "Let's roll" call to action by Todd Beamer – became one of the enduring memories of that disastrous day, the actual cause of Flight 93's crash, of the four hijacked jumbo jets, remains the most unclear.

The Mirror report quotes multiple residents in and around Shanksville, Pa., describing the crash as they saw it, several claiming to have seen a second plane - an unmarked military-style jet. According to the report:

The report cites other disturbing evidence at odds with the official scenario that passengers overpowered the four highjackers and forced the plane down, preventing it from crashing into a presumed high-profile intended target like the White House or the Capitol. For instance, the Mirror reports some witnesses' claims that they could see smoke and flames coming out of Flight 93 as it fell, indicating a possible onboard explosion. Far more disturbing is the question of whether a U.S. fighter pilot shot down the jumbo jet to stop its being used as a giant missile, as the other three hijacked planes had been that morning.

Of course, well founded uncertainly as to just what happened to Flight 93 is nothing new. Just three days after the worst terrorist attack in American history, on Sept. 14, 2001, The (Bergen County, N.J.) Record newspaper reported that five eyewitnesses reported seeing a second plane at the Flight 93 crash site.

"In separate interviews," reported the Record, "five residents who live and work less than four miles from the crash site said they saw a second plane flying erratically within minutes of the crash of the Boeing 757 that took off from Newark two hours earlier Tuesday morning."

One of the witnesses early on was Susan Mcelwain. Two others were Dennis Decker and Rick Chaney, who were at work making wooden pallets when they heard an explosion and came running outside to watch a large mushroom cloud spreading over the ridge.

"As soon as we looked up, we saw a mid-sized jet flying low and fast," Decker told the Record. "It appeared to make a loop or part of a circle, and then it turned fast and headed out. " Describing the plane as a Lear-jet type, with engines mounted near the tail and painted white with no identifying markings, Decker said, "If you were here to see it, you'd have no doubt. It was a jet plane, and it had to be flying real close when that 757 went down."

"If I was the FBI," he added, "I'd find out who was driving that plane."

That same day, reported the Record, FBI Special Agent William Crowley said investigators could not rule out that a second plane was nearby during the crash. He later said he had misspoken, dismissing rumors that a U.S. military jet had intercepted the plane before it could strike a target in Washington, D.C.

Although government officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, they were informed the flight was suspected of having been hijacked at 9:16 am, fully 50 minutes before the plane came down.

The Daily Mirror cites other factors bolstering the case for a possible shootdown of UA Flight 93:

'A horrendous decision'

On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney, being interviewed by Tim Russert, while not addressing Flight 93 specifically, spoke clearly to the administration's clear policy regarding shooting down hijacked jets.

"Vice President Cheney: Well, the -- I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft.

"Russert: And you decided?

"Cheney: We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time...

"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate.

"Russert: So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?

"Cheney: Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?

"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, "I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: getthetinfoil; herewegoagain; september11; tinfoilalert
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Saturday, January 25, 2003

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1 posted on 01/25/2003 1:37:56 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
US considered 'suicide jet missions' (8/30/02)
2 posted on 01/25/2003 1:46:00 AM PST by Orion78 (I hope Golitsyn is wrong)
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To: JohnHuang2
I heard this rumor from Air Forces sources on the 11th, on the 12th no one was talking about it at all. For what its worth.

-Eric

3 posted on 01/25/2003 1:49:11 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: JohnHuang2
I love the way the government always dismisses these witnesses.

Sounds alot like what they did when that jet went down over the Atlantic. Flight 800 I believe. People said they saw missle like trails going up towards the plane.

Musta been solar-flares. /sarcasm
4 posted on 01/25/2003 1:49:29 AM PST by Sabretooth (Im from Minnesota by the way so quit complaining about the cold!!)
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To: JohnHuang2
Oh God, not THIS again.
5 posted on 01/25/2003 1:58:17 AM PST by Timesink (I offered her a ring, she gave me the finger)
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To: JohnHuang2
why is this "unthinkable"? Would they prefer to think that a couple thousand people in Washington be dead? Shanksville is not far from Washington: ten or fifteen minutes by air. If attacked, the pilots would have crashed the plane.

And some would say that they might have taken it back. Well, maybe. Or maybe with the scuffle the plane might have crashed in Hagersville or even in a populated Washington suburb.

finally, nearly all plane crashes have eye witnesses who later see a missle, and witnesses who see the plane explode. Including many where there was no question of terrorism. Eyewitnesses are notoriously vague.

TWA 800 witnesses were therefore ignored (what was chilling in that case was not witnesses but radar data and a videotape that showed a missle).

The thing to worry about is that the jets who went to intercept the plane DID NOT HAVE MISSLES ON THEM. They were for routine flying, not defense. The pilots were interviewed and said they would have had to shoot the plane down the old fashioned way, or do a kamikaze attack.

6 posted on 01/25/2003 2:02:38 AM PST by LadyDoc
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To: LadyDoc
finally, nearly all plane crashes have eye witnesses who later see a missle, and witnesses who see the plane explode. Including many where there was no question of terrorism. !?!?

What? Please explain.
7 posted on 01/25/2003 2:08:44 AM PST by Super Mak90kid
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To: Sabretooth
I love the way the government always dismisses these witnesses.

Maybe they were dismissed because there truly was no other aircraft.

8 posted on 01/25/2003 2:22:11 AM PST by PaulJ
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To: PaulJ
I think we have a tin foil alert here.........
9 posted on 01/25/2003 2:31:32 AM PST by Nick Thimmesch
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To: LadyDoc
While I believe Flight 800 was brought down by a missle... I don't think 93 was.

We were asleep at the the wheel on 911. IMHO.

10 posted on 01/25/2003 2:39:42 AM PST by johnny7 (It's good to dig up stuff.)
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To: Super Mak90kid
The "rashoman" effect: What we see and remember is influenced by other things, including what is in our society, ideas going around, our worries, our guilts etc.

In the movie Rashomon, the four people all remember a crime differently (a neutral observer saw it a fifth way, and at the end of the movie, one can understand why all the others remembered it differently because they NEEDED to remember it differently.)

It's due to the power of suggestion: a way of the mind to cope with the unthinkable.

I remember a crash in Pittsburg, where two people saw an explosion, but others did not in the "raw" local footage...yet the pilots in the nearby planes did not see anything like this.

In the past, people seeing a plane crash thought of bombs, so when they saw a plane crash, they saw an explosion. After TWA 800, most people are seeing missles, because they think of missles not bombs when a plane crashes.

This is the reason people see UFO's when it is venus, or when we cure with placebos in medicine,, or some holy lady sees the virgin Mary. Ninety nine percent of these things are imagination.

However, when a pilot sees a UFO and the local radar sees it too, when a scientific study shows a medicine works, and when the lady seeing the virgin mary predicts the dangers of communism a couple weeks before the Russian revolution, then maybe a tiny percentage of these things could be true.

You have to separate the wheat from the chaff...
11 posted on 01/25/2003 2:48:55 AM PST by LadyDoc
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To: LadyDoc
This is the reason people see UFO's when it is venus...

But nobody has been able to explain how the planet Venus can make those sharp right-angled turns at thousands of miles per hour that so many eyewitnesses have seen it do.

12 posted on 01/25/2003 3:00:59 AM PST by judgeandjury (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.)
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To: E Rocc; Sabretooth
I see no reason for all these speculations. The radar tapes for all these things should be made public, and will prove exactly, one way or another, what happened.

Why do we never see the tapes? Why are they never released?
13 posted on 01/25/2003 3:49:48 AM PST by XBob
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To: LadyDoc; judgeandjury
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14 posted on 01/25/2003 3:52:02 AM PST by XBob
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To: LadyDoc; judgeandjury
bump 13
15 posted on 01/25/2003 3:52:08 AM PST by XBob
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To: JohnHuang2
There WERE military planes hustling to the scene, that has long since been reported and the pilots interviewed on television. I saw this interview on one of the first year anniversary shows. The additional problem was that the only planes they had in the vicinity were unarmed. If ordered to take down 93, they would have had to crash into it! Frankly I think the truth is a whole lot more interesting than this stupid rumor mill garbage.
16 posted on 01/25/2003 4:00:55 AM PST by Cincinnatus
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To: JohnHuang2
Marked for later...
17 posted on 01/25/2003 4:07:09 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: JohnHuang2
I don't like all this tinfoil John.

The reason United Flight 11 crashed was because it was hijacked by murdering Islamic terrorists.

I am not saying another aircraft was not in the vicinity before or after the crash--there probably was. As to the truth of a "Learjet type white plane"--I am not sure what the witnesses saw. The Air Force does fly Lear 35's in a version called the C-21--and it is white. I know--I used to fly the C-21. They are unarmed and used for DV transport.

But this kind of thing distracts from our real enemy---Islamic fanatics.

Those innocent people didn't die because of crop circles, UFOs, or missiles as far as I know. The died because of Islamic hate for Israel, America, and freedom.

18 posted on 01/25/2003 4:08:20 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: LadyDoc
"Ninety nine percent of these things are imagination."

Ninety nine percent of inventions are imagination....

19 posted on 01/25/2003 4:10:12 AM PST by azhenfud
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To: Cincinnatus
Frankly I think the truth is a whole lot more interesting than this stupid rumor mill garbage.

Methinks you're right, amigo.

20 posted on 01/25/2003 4:11:49 AM PST by JohnHuang2 (Jeb Bush/Condi Rice '08!)
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