Smoking Bans Burn Buisness (In Delaware)

Delaware Journal ^ | 12/15/02 | qam1

[qam1]

As Delaware's indoor smoking ban enters its third week, most establishments appear to be observing the law - even though opposition is growing among some tavern and restaurant owners who complain they are losing business.

People were smoking in only two of 33 bars and restaurants visited by News Journal reporters last week. Many tavern owners and patrons said they are obeying the law while organizing to try to overturn or amend it when the General Assembly returns in January. Several owners said they think they have lost 20 percent to 50 percent of their business since the ban went into effect on Nov. 27.

[Republic of Texas]

Just happened last Friday. They couldn't get it passed quickly while no one was looking.

[SheLion]

They are open to the public.

They are open to the public at the owner's discretion. He has the right not to allow someone into his business.

[Mark]

Apology accepted. Now just what are the surrounding states rules on smoking? Can they hurt Delaware? Especially tax wise-- can they draw business away from Delaware?

[SheLion]

I don't care if smokers don't have a place in public to smoke. Smoking is so bad for you why do it at all?

You want the world to rotate on your butt? Why do we do it? How about "We like it and it's legal?" How's that.

I hope they ban your dirt bike next.

[Mark]

I think, or hope that Sicvee was using humor. That's why I replied as I did to the posting. Just read the post as if you were speaking through your nose so you sound like a snivveling liberal. At least that's how I took it.

[qam1]

Speaking of antismoking Nazi hypocrits.

All these politicans who ban smoking due to the danger (lol!) of Second hand smoke should also be in favor of getting rid of tollbooths. Because all the exhust caused by the conjestion at them is also harmful to your health, much more than ETS.

And if I don't like smoking I don't have to go in the resturant or bar but there is no way I can avoid getting stuck at a toll.

[Hot Tabasco]

I don't care if smokers don't have a place in public to smoke.

Back atcha, we don't care if you don't come into our bars where we smoke, drink, shoot pool and have fun. In fact, we would just as soon you stayed away. I would have loved to see you to come into a couple of places i used to hang out and spout your socialist agenda in there. ROFLMAO! Just picturing you driving home with a cue up your &*%!!!! OUCH!!

[Hot Tabasco]

The sad part about it is, your socialist ban is going to impact on the neighborhood bars where the elitists such as you wouldn't even dare lower yourself to their standards by stopping in. The bars where the good old boys go to drink, smoke and do just about whatever they want free of the likes of you. But hey, what do you care?

[Mark]

Please read my #15 and #25. Did I get it wrong?

[SheLion]

I think, or hope that Sicvee was using humor. That's why I replied as I did to the posting. Just read the post as if you were speaking through your nose so you sound like a snivveling liberal. At least that's how I took it.

It's hard to know WHAT is going through people's heads when they come into the smoking threads. Seems that being a Republican who smokes still puts us on the outs with some. Pity.

We see it a lot in Free Republic. They say they are for all the rights for all the people, yet come in and trash the hell out of Conservatives who choose to smoke. I walk away from my monitor in tears a lot.

[Hot Tabasco]

Please read my #15 and #25. Did I get it wrong?

Not quite sure what you mean but I think you got sicvee wrong. He is an elitist Nico-Nazi, there was no humor in his post and I hope he has the cahones to stop by this thread again rather than just post and run........

[ErnBatavia]

I quit smoking over a month ago

Right about now, you've gotta being along this line:

[qam1]

Both MD (the state, some communities are whacky) & Penn & NJ don't have any weird smoking laws like Delaware.

And that's where the Delaware people are going.

Penn. Has a state law that prevents any community from passing their own smoking ban and the state isn't going smoke free anytime soon.

NJ. Is weird, Each town sets it's own policy in regards to resturants & bars so I am not sure the state can ban smoking everywhere. Everytown has it's own bar closing times for instance and some towns are actually totally dry by law. Some NJ towns like Princeton tried to ban smoking but everytime a ban comes up it has been soundly defeated. Baffonberg is hoping NJ follows suit but I wouldn't count on it. NJ is small like Delaware and many people can just hop into Penn. or other parts of NY state and NJ will be the big winner in this if they are smart enough to avoid a stupid ban because they get people from delaware spending their money and if the ban does go in effect in NYC people there will come into Hoboken (5 min. PATH ride, big party towm)and people will stay in Jersey (Go to any club in Manhattan, Half the people in any of them are from Jersey, They will stay now stay in Jersey and spend their money there). Atlantic City is also in heavy competion with Foxwoods so a ban would be suicide. Plus the govenor Mcgreevy (D)is very corupt so all the resturant buisness has to do is pay him off like they did when they wanted to lower the DWI blood alcohol limit and all talk of smoking bans will disappear.

[Mark]

I thought it was a typical message of a liberal, but so far out that it was like showing obsurdity by being obsurd. Picture Rob Reiner speaking those words or Alan Colmes. It just seemed like "no, he/she can't possibly be serious". But maybe I was wrong and the posting was serious.

[Mark]

Plus the govenor Mcgreevy (D)is very corupt so all the resturant buisness has to do is pay him off like they did when they wanted to lower the DWI blood alcohol limit and all talk of smoking bans will disappear.

That just don't seem FAIR! OK, notice the humor intent. It shows the obsurdity. Anyway thanks for that information. We got Dufus Davis here in Kalifornia, so I have no room to talk about or criticize the East coast.

[Mark]

Citizen's arrest! Citizen's arrest!

[oldtimer]

What this is about is some small timers get into a position of power, and THEY HAVE TO BE DOING SOMETHING TO LEGISLATE! And the most important thing is that there is nobody left to kick around, because all of the rest of "ethnic groups" are ezempt. Gotta hate somebody.

Passive smoke research is bull clinton. No way unless one lives with a two pack a dayer for 40 years.

Vote with your feet smokers.

[Hot Tabasco]

I walk away from my monitor in tears a lot.

I know where you are coming from. Unfortunately, I get so darn *&^*&%*&* off that I wake up the next morning saying "well, what did you say last night and to whom...."

You know, my dad was one of the most knowlegable people on communism that I have ever know. Back in the 60's and 70's I used to roll my eyes whenever he started into one of his rants against the commies.

30 years later and wiser, dad was 100% right. I will always remember one thing he told me about Kruschev. Kruschev was quoted once as saying "...your freedoms will ultimately destroy you." Or something close to it. Anyway, his statement is coming closer to fruition as each year goes by.

[Mark]

I got the sense that most on FR see the smoking issue as a loss of freedom. You would know more than I, but I only saw a few on the threads that I read.

When California got that Rob "Meathead" Reiner Prop 10 on the ballot and Charlton Heston endorsed it, I emailed the NRA. Wayne LaPierre, the spokesperson came back with the line that Mr. Heston was speaking for himself. I asked that if a local governing body wanted to place a huge yearly tax on all weapons kept in their community, would they endorse that. He replied that they would fight such a tax. After the proposition passed, by a slim majority, it was felt that Heston's endorsement clinched the passing. Within a few weeks, I think it was Chicago, was passing a tax on all guns and the NRA objected. Heston later said he wished that he would never have supported that meathead proposition because he could see where it was going.

[gitmo]

This is Prohibition all over again. Some bars are secretly allowing smoking, and they are getting all the business. We'll have Elliot Ness going in with machine guns soon.