Interesting comments...
1 posted on
12/04/2002 7:26:53 AM PST by
Lyford
To: Lyford
For the future of the world, we better hope he's right.
To: Lyford
If Warren is right, what we are witnessing - and suffering from - today is a kind of Islamic supernova, a last furious bombardment of radiation from a star that has already gone dead and will very soon go dark.Encouraging comments. I've always wanted to witness a supernova.
To: Lyford
from yourlips to God's ears
To: Lyford
But after a star implodes (the supernova) you have a Black Hole - a tiny, voracious unit that relentlessly "consumes" everything it comes near, forever.
Is this the analogy we want to make?....
To: Lyford
If the world has indeed lost its faith, as the writer says and I agree, then Islam is not the worst of our worries.
We were created by God to obey His commandments and worship only Him. God tells us we will be rewarded if we do, and punished if we don't.
Whatever replaces Islam as our punishment will be painfully worse. (Yes that is possible!)
7 posted on
12/04/2002 7:35:06 AM PST by
joyful1
To: Lyford
I think one of the reasons Islamism has erupted with such gale force in the Muslim world is indeed the very loss of faith, and the fear that comes from this. The worst of the witch trials and persecutions in Christian history occurred, not during the medieval period when the Church was unquestioned, but during the century or so after Luther. There would seem to be some truth to the notion that religions, like other institutions, are the most prone to lash out when under severe stress.
9 posted on
12/04/2002 7:41:14 AM PST by
steve-b
To: Lyford
...'Show us! Prove to us you still exist; because, if you don't, we will give up on you entirely.'.....
Perhaps but... the old order fears most of all change.
They fear the creeping infiltration of decadent western culture into the Islamic societies. They fear that like the west that has entirely lost the moral way, Islamic society will also become sinful and immoral.
Those who are Moslems and travel, and who know that all in the west is not as sinful as the movies an TV make it appear, are not particularly upset. It is the underclasses, the gray thobes (blue collars) who see only massive and repulsive sin who think the west must be destroyed so their children will not be doomed to the hell of western sinful influence.
New York is seen as sin incarnate. Bill Clinton, leader of the western world was found guilty of extremely perverse actions in the very office where he wields power. He was guilty.He was not punished. He was approved by an adoring nation who are there fore guilty of the same sins and perversions.
Bandar's speeches say "we want to modernize, but not to westernize" This statement reflects the views of the Saudi public. They want modern convenience but not all the undesirable western baggage that comes with it.
Osama hates the Royal Sauds. He knows the conflict can tear the country asunder. Osama desires power and like his Catholic counterparts in European history, is using the power of religion to inflame the pious but ignorant masses to revolt and to achieve his political goals. He knows also that the educated business classes will not go along with his program so the Saudi business classes must come to destruction also.
Osama has been extremely successful. He has caused the American press, who is totally ignortant, to make dupes of Americans. Free Republic is a great example of duped people. The hatred and total misunderstanding is quite contrary to the normal through digestion that takes place with most issues.
It is truly an important era. The Islamic Reformation.
15 posted on
12/04/2002 8:03:03 AM PST by
bert
To: Nogbad
Bump
19 posted on
12/04/2002 8:25:36 AM PST by
Nogbad
To: 2sheep; Thinkin' Gal; babylonian; Nix 2
Very interesting viewpoint.
To: Lyford
21 posted on
12/04/2002 8:28:19 AM PST by
Salem
To: Lyford
A proper ugh honest display of the Qu'ran and the hadiths in a widely released documentary would inform propective new Musilms what Islam really is. Because Islam(Qu'ran) is laughable to the western mind. Black Americans are so under informed on this I can think no similar comparison.
Turn on the light and the roaches will run. There is a roach motel, and its spelled with "D" and ends in a "Y" and that my friends spells Documenary.. PBS is a lost cause though. PBS is way too PC about anything, no courage for the public good. ABC <- nah!....CBS <-... never happen... NBC <- Slap!..Slap!, sorry ... Hmmm How about Cable? <- maybe...
23 posted on
12/04/2002 8:39:51 AM PST by
hosepipe
To: Lyford
There's something to this article.
I've thought for a while now that Islamic extremism is a testament to the strength of western culture. It is we that are making the big inroads into their culture and not the other way around. For every one John Walker Lindh, there are probably hundreds, if not thousands of kids in the Arab world who would like to come here and adopt our way of life. That's why Islam has become so radicalized. They think that extreme measures are the only way to beat back the tide. Terrorism is a tactic of desperate people, not those who think they are winning the overall war. I have no doubt that Islamofascism is destined to be a short-lived phenomenon in the broad historical context. The only question is, what will replace it?
To: Lyford
If Warren is right, what we are witnessing - and suffering from - today is a kind of Islamic supernova, a last furious bombardment of radiation from a star that has already gone dead and will very soon go dark. There will always be a market for religious beliefs as long as people wonder what is going to happen to them afer they die. - Tom
To: Clemenza; Yehuda; rmlew; RaceBannon; Kaafi; PARodrig; firebrand
a very interesting take on islam
32 posted on
12/04/2002 9:14:55 AM PST by
Cacique
To: Lyford
Great comments. Reason to be hopeful, and to rededicate ourselves to prayer, particulary for inroads to the Islamic people, who apparently are losing hope.
35 posted on
12/04/2002 9:29:12 AM PST by
My2Cents
To: Heuristic Hiker
Very interesting theory.
To: Lyford
Interesting idea. I've always wondered why God permitted Islam to expand so hugely for so long a time, when other heresies have inevitably shriveled and died into relative impotence. God lets people choose evil courses, but they don't normally prosper over the long term. Hillair Belloc has written on Islam's success, I believe.
If there's a providential purpose in the immense growth of Islam, maybe it is some sort of trial or test.
Bump for later.
42 posted on
12/04/2002 11:44:02 AM PST by
Cicero
To: Lyford
I guess fascism and Nazism were, in a similar way, the implosion of European and German nationalism. However, had they won WWII, it would have been quite some time before they went away, despite their deficiencies as ideologies.
Similarly, if the Islamofascists win this war, that fact will prove to them that Allah really does exist and is supporting their cause.
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