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To: Lyford
...'Show us! Prove to us you still exist; because, if you don't, we will give up on you entirely.'.....

Perhaps but... the old order fears most of all change.

They fear the creeping infiltration of decadent western culture into the Islamic societies. They fear that like the west that has entirely lost the moral way, Islamic society will also become sinful and immoral.

Those who are Moslems and travel, and who know that all in the west is not as sinful as the movies an TV make it appear, are not particularly upset. It is the underclasses, the gray thobes (blue collars) who see only massive and repulsive sin who think the west must be destroyed so their children will not be doomed to the hell of western sinful influence.

New York is seen as sin incarnate. Bill Clinton, leader of the western world was found guilty of extremely perverse actions in the very office where he wields power. He was guilty.He was not punished. He was approved by an adoring nation who are there fore guilty of the same sins and perversions.

Bandar's speeches say "we want to modernize, but not to westernize" This statement reflects the views of the Saudi public. They want modern convenience but not all the undesirable western baggage that comes with it.

Osama hates the Royal Sauds. He knows the conflict can tear the country asunder. Osama desires power and like his Catholic counterparts in European history, is using the power of religion to inflame the pious but ignorant masses to revolt and to achieve his political goals. He knows also that the educated business classes will not go along with his program so the Saudi business classes must come to destruction also.

Osama has been extremely successful. He has caused the American press, who is totally ignortant, to make dupes of Americans. Free Republic is a great example of duped people. The hatred and total misunderstanding is quite contrary to the normal through digestion that takes place with most issues.

It is truly an important era. The Islamic Reformation.

15 posted on 12/04/2002 8:03:03 AM PST by bert
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To: bert
It is the underclasses, the gray thobes (blue collars) who see only massive and repulsive sin who think the west must be destroyed so their children will not be doomed to the hell of western sinful influence.

It is the ignorant underclass that is most influenced by the extremists view that the Koran requires moslim sacrafices in the killing of infidels (us). Other posts have indicated that these ignorant are a source of new fighters and that they have a strong arguement unless one wishes to "interpret" the prophet's words. We need to see a reformation within Islam that opens the door for the moderate interpretation and it may take a while to extinguish the fires of the radicals.

34 posted on 12/04/2002 9:18:08 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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