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Archaeologists Announce Discovery Of Underwater Man-Made Wall (Very Old)
China Post ^ | 11-26-2002

Posted on 11/26/2002 7:57:18 AM PST by blam

Archaeologists announce discovery of underwater man-made wall

2002/11/26
The China Post staff

Underwater archaeologists yesterday announced the discovery of a man-made wall submerged under the waters of the Pescadores Islands that could be at least six and seven thousand years old.

Steve Shieh, the head of the planning committee for the Taiwan Underwater Archaeology Institute, said the wall was discovered to the northwest of Tong-chi Island in the Pescadores towards the end of September.

The stone wall, with an average height of one meter and a width of 50 centimeters, covers a distance of over 100 meters, Hsieh said.

The wall ran along the ocean floor at depths of between 25 and 30 meters, he added.

Shieh said that divers found several places along the wall where holes were apparently filled up with pebbles, possibly in an attempt to block winds.(Maybe to keep out the rising water?)

The wall was located by a team of divers working in cooperation with the National Museum of History and the Department of Environmental Sciences at the National Sun Yat-sen University.

In August, researchers scanning waters in the area with sonar discovered what appeared to be the remnants of four to five man-made walls running along the bottom of the sea.

Please see WALL on page(I could not find a map, if you can, please post it.)

Despite difficult diving conditions, Shieh said that a team of more than ten specialists was able to ascertain the positions of at least three of the wall sections.

The proximity of the wall to a similar structure found in 1976 suggests that it may be further evidence of a pre-historical civilization.

A three meter high underwater wall was discovered by amateur divers in waters off the nearby Hu-ching (Tiger Well) Island.

British archaeologists examined the find and proclaimed that the wall was probably made between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago.

The current find stands a mere 100 meters from the site of that discovery.

Six years ago, evidence of a sunken city in the area was found when amateur divers found the remains of what appear to be city walls taking the shape of a cross on the ocean floor.

Further examination suggested the ruins were made between seven and ten thousand years ago as well, although Japanese researchers put the walls construction at between 10,000 and 80,000 years ago.

Taken together, the discoveries have helped to overturn the established notion that Taiwan's earliest aboriginal inhabitants made their way here from mainland China some 6,000 years ago.(There goes the giant hynea theory, huh?)

The underwater finds are part of a growing body of evidence suggesting the existence of civilizations older than anything previously imagined.(suprise, suprise, suprise--Gomer Pyle voice)

On this theory, entire cities ended up underwater after sea levels rose towards the end of the last Ice Age, a date cited by Plato as being some 9,600 years ago.

One of the most dramatic examples of evidence of civilizations found on ocean beds has been megalithic structures off the coast of Yonaguni-jima in Japan that have been interpreted in some circles as being built for sacrificial rites. According to Shieh, a similar structure has been located off of the shores of Taiwan's Pingtung County .

Shieh said that he and his association have plans to explore that location as well as what appears to be a man-made path on the ocean floor off of Taitung County sometime next year.


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KEYWORDS: archaeologists; archaeology; catastrophism; discovery; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; pescadoresislands; taiwan; underwater; wall
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To: blam
How can a stone wall be accurately dated? There is likely no organic material in the wall to make Carbon 14 dating possible, and accumulation of coral or other sea water accumulations could vary greatly depending upon the amount of minerals or aquatic life in the area over the "eons" of time. While I don't believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, I am sceptical of claims of man's presence 15,000 years or more ago.

Of course I guess it is possible the divers may discover an ancient Palm Pilot in the wall whose clock is stopped at 10,000 B.C.
41 posted on 11/26/2002 9:51:38 AM PST by Auntie Dem
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To: LostTribe
Religion is religion. Science is supposed to be science. Forcing 'facts' to fit preconceived theories is not science.
42 posted on 11/26/2002 10:31:03 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: RightWhale
"If it was flooded by one of the three major glacial lake outpourings, the sea level would have risen abruptly in a week or two. "

Yup. That was Lake Agassiz that covered most of Canada. It was responible for the Younger-Dryas period when it 'broke through' to the Lawerence Seaway.

43 posted on 11/26/2002 11:26:19 AM PST by blam
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To: Auntie Dem
Auntie, you need to get out more often. (smile)

Calico: A 200,000-Year Old Site In The Americas?

44 posted on 11/26/2002 11:33:47 AM PST by blam
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To: Auntie Dem
How can a stone wall be accurately dated?

That is the big question. If the wall is submerged now it can at least be dated to when it was last above water, making some assumptions. But inorganic ruins by themselves would have to be dated by association with other objects and materials. If they find a piece of wood, there is the chance of using dendrochronology, a powerful new tool.

45 posted on 11/26/2002 11:34:30 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: MHGinTN
"The underwater 'thing' at Graham's site is off the coast of Okinawa and would have been above water level at the end of the last Ice Age ... and it is conjectured that the site was a ruin even before it became a sumberged site, covered by the rising waters of the ice age ending."

I just saw an hour special on this site the other night. Geologist Robert Schott said that he thinks it's a natural formation, he did say that humans may have been present at the site before it was covered with water, but, they did not build it. I trust his judgement. He's the geologist that started the controversy about the age of the Sphinx being 9-10,000 years old.

46 posted on 11/26/2002 11:39:09 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Don't forget old, cantankerous John Anthony West.
47 posted on 11/26/2002 11:46:27 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
Surely, the big question is how did they get the mortar to set?
48 posted on 11/26/2002 11:47:00 AM PST by ijcr
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To: RightWhale
"Don't forget old, cantankerous John Anthony West."

Yup. I think he is the one who brought the geologist Schott into the Sphinx fray.

49 posted on 11/26/2002 11:54:02 AM PST by blam
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To: ijcr
how did they get the mortar to set?

Concrete can set underwater, it's a chemical reaction. Also, welding can be done underwater. There doesn't seem to be much rebar from 10,000 years ago, not that it rusted away, it just appears steel wasn't used much back then.

50 posted on 11/26/2002 11:59:04 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: Bernard Marx
A whole lot of interesting evidence is beginning to pile up, and if the archaeologists in the old guard don't deal with it, a new generation will.

Anticipating similar confusion 10,000 years from now, I'm leaving sticky-notes on all the stuff at my house to help the future archaeologists identify it when they dig it up. If they're lucky, maybe the 10 cent deposit on bottles and cans will have increased in that time also.......

51 posted on 11/26/2002 12:05:42 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: RightWhale
Can anyone say "Noah."
52 posted on 11/26/2002 12:10:24 PM PST by The Grim Freeper
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To: The Grim Freeper
Sure, but why?
53 posted on 11/26/2002 12:16:54 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: blam
Do you not think a Carbon 14 dating clock can be inaccurate? Is there a possibility the earth had received bombardment of wildly varying levels of various radiation, or other naturally occuring processes, thus far not detected by current science, that would materially affect the levels of carbon 14 in organic materials, and thus make dating those samples unreliable?

Besides, if man had been on the earth for 200,000 years Windows would be a much more stable operating system by now.
54 posted on 11/26/2002 12:18:06 PM PST by Auntie Dem
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To: blam
Good catch, blam. It was Bauval, West, and Schott who posed the notion that erosion at the Sphinx site had to have occurred at minimum the end of the last ice age, roughly more than 10,000 years ago.

The site off Okinawa has 'carved' characteristics which would only be possible prior to the end of the last ice age, with carved 'sockets' where posts may have stood and platform or seat type tiers that were also carved. There is interesting 'stuff' out there to be explored, don'tcha think?
55 posted on 11/26/2002 12:39:49 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Bernard Marx
>Religion is religion. Science is supposed to be science. Forcing 'facts' to fit preconceived theories is not science.

Yep, and History can be a strange mixture of Science (honest Archeology, if you are lucky), Social "Science" (Anthropology, masquerading as a biological science), Political "Science" (raw hidden political agenda) and Theology (the dead weight of Culture & Tradition).

Any one of them can screw up the result called "History". And in the case of finding The Lost Tribes of Israel that is certainly true.

56 posted on 11/26/2002 12:41:39 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: zcat
Good for you. I have a few thoughts about where you could stick some of them,
57 posted on 11/26/2002 12:44:06 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: blam
Pescadores (Penghu)

58 posted on 11/26/2002 12:52:03 PM PST by Consort
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To: LostTribe
The Lost Tribes are your personal obsession. Your comments don't really have any direct relevance to what I posted. You seem to have a gripe about the word 'science' itself.

The 'credo' of the archaeologists I mentioned involved things like belief in the so-called "Clovis Barrier" that prevented them from bothering to even dig below areas where Clovis artifacts were recovered because they 'knew' there was nothing there. That's not very open minded. For lots of reasons (egos, budgets, political correctness) 'discoveries' in archaeology have not been subjected to the same kind of rigorous peer review one finds in physics, say.

Your comments about history are true. History is written by the victors and always contains political spin. But I've never heard history called a science. Ditto social 'science' or political 'science.'





59 posted on 11/26/2002 1:13:55 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: RightWhale
"Concrete can set underwater..."

Portland Cement sets under water, the Romans invented it. Mortar and concrete are mixtures of Portland and aggregate.

60 posted on 11/26/2002 1:18:21 PM PST by Pietro
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