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China fighter jets fly near US spy plane (EP-3 intercept)
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asia/story/0,4386,156715,00.html? ^ | 11-24-02 | AP/Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 11/24/2002 10:04:10 AM PST by tallhappy

NOV 24, 2002

DANGEROUS CLOSE ENCOUNTER

China fighter jets fly near US spy plane

The aircraft come within 75 m of each other in airspace off China

WASHINGTON - Two Chinese jet fighters came dangerously close to an American EP-3 reconnaissance aircraft last week during a mid-air encounter reminiscent of the April 2001 aerial collision that touched off a United States-China crisis.

Two F-7 jets tracked the EP-3 as it flew in international airspace off the northern coast of China, The Washington Times quoted US intelligence officials as saying.

One official said they came within 75 m of each other.

The encounter was close, said some officials, but less threatening than Chinese aerial engagements in the past, which have come within a few metres of US reconnaissance aircraft.

On April 1 last year, a Chinese F-8 jet collided with a US EP-3 over the South China Sea, causing the Chinese jet to crash and nearly causing the deaths of 23 Americans on the EP-3.

The US plane made an emergency landing at a Chinese air base, where the US personnel were held prisoner for 11 days before being released.

Both sides accused the other of causing the aerial crash. Angered by China's handling of the incident, the US administration called a virtual halt to military exchanges.

US intelligence agencies have increased electronic intelligence gathering from China in order to pick up new information on recent Communist Party leadership changes, The Washington Times report said.

The aerial intercept also coincided with renewed Chinese fighter sorties near Taiwan.

For the first time in months, Chinese military forces began flying new SU-30 fighter bombers close to the demarcation line that runs down the centre of the Taiwan Strait.

Meanwhile, an upcoming visit by a US Navy destroyer to China is the firmest sign yet of a thaw in military contacts between Beijing and Washington.

The USS Paul F. Foster's planned arrival today will mark the first port call in China by a US navy ship since ties were frozen in April last year.

The ship and its 340 crew will be greeted at the eastern port of Qingdao with a formal welcoming ceremony. Other events have not been announced.

Next month, the US will host nearly two dozen Chinese generals, and the admiral who commands all US forces in the Pacific will visit China.

Senior-level defence talks, not held since 2000, will resume on Dec 9


From Gertz and Scarborough Inside the Ring, 11-22-02

EP-3 intercept

Two Chinese jet fighters came dangerously close to a U.S. EP-3 reconnaissance aircraft last week during an encounter reminiscent of the aerial collision that touched off a U.S.-China crisis.

Two F-7 jets tracked the EP-3 as it flew in international airspace off the northern coast of China, U.S. intelligence officials tell us.

"They came within 250 feet," said one official.

The encounter was close, said some officials, but less threatening than Chinese aerial engagements in the past, which have come within a few feet of U.S. reconnaissance aircraft.

On April 1, 2001, a Chinese F-8 jet collided with a U.S. EP-3 over the South China Sea, causing the Chinese jet to crash and nearly causing the deaths of 23 Americans on the EP-3. The U.S. plane made an emergency landing at a Chinese air base, where they were held prisoner for 11 days before being released.

U.S. intelligence agencies have increased electronic intelligence gathering from China in order to pick up new information on recent Communist Party leadership changes.

The aerial intercept also coincided with renewed Chinese fighter sorties near Taiwan. For the first time in months, Chinese military forces began flying new Su-30 fighter bombers close to the demarcation line that runs down the center of the Taiwan Strait.

At least 12 sorties were detected by U.S. intelligence. The flights were viewed by U.S. officials as provocative and coincided with the major Communist Party congress in Beijing that ended last week.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: china; ep3; hainanincident
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1 posted on 11/24/2002 10:04:10 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
The Red Chinese have gone insane.

President Bush hasn't forgotten the April 2001 incident. With the whole world watching our preparations on Iraq and our wider anti-terror campaign, America can't afford to be taken to the cleaners twice by the same gang of thieves. If anything remotely like last April's accident occurs again, Dubya will order a military response -- hopefully a very severe one that will cost the Chinese billions of dollars to recover from.

But if this is so obvious to me, why can't the Red Chinese Politburo see it? Or is there something they know that we don't?

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

2 posted on 11/24/2002 10:18:12 AM PST by fporretto
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To: fporretto
A military response against China? You are smoking something right?
3 posted on 11/24/2002 10:20:22 AM PST by Naspino
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To: tallhappy
We need to start escorting these guys when they are in that area. They will be unable to get that close with a couple of fighters next to them. At least our fighter pilots could eject if they got bumped.
4 posted on 11/24/2002 10:28:21 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: tallhappy
I was living in China at the time when this incident occured. I remembered going down to the US Embassy and arguing with some Chinese nationals about the incident and making it clear, through evidence, that it was the Chinese jet which collided with the US plane first.
5 posted on 11/24/2002 10:29:01 AM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
it was the Chinese jet which collided with the US plane first.

The best known Chinese driver of the decade:


6 posted on 11/24/2002 10:32:12 AM PST by ErnBatavia
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To: Naspino
No need to bomb China, just shut down all the WalMarts and Kmarts
7 posted on 11/24/2002 10:34:51 AM PST by shadeaud
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To: tallhappy
Look for more of this as we get closer to lowering the boom on Iraq.
8 posted on 11/24/2002 10:36:09 AM PST by dennisw
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To: shadeaud
No need to bomb China, just shut down all the WalMarts and Kmarts

And Toys'r'Us and Kohls and Targets and KMarts and Best Buys and Circuit Cities and Victorias Secrets and Limiteds and ....

9 posted on 11/24/2002 10:39:48 AM PST by grania
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To: tallhappy
Mark my words, before the War on Terror is over, the United States will be in a war with Red China.
10 posted on 11/24/2002 10:46:22 AM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta
When China attacks us, it's going to be bad.

It will make Pearl Harbor look like a picnic.
11 posted on 11/24/2002 11:00:00 AM PST by philetus
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To: tallhappy
Let me get this straight. We have spy planes flying up and down the Chinese coast, they send aircraft out just to remind us where we are and WE are pissed at them. For all of you who want to bomb China over this what would you have our planes do if the Chinese were fying surveilance aircraft just off California? Some calm perspective may be in order for this one.
12 posted on 11/24/2002 11:11:06 AM PST by u-89
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To: u-89
Let me help you. Any military action which endangers our equipment and people in international territory should be stopped immediately by direct military intervention -- We shoot the b*stards out of the sky.

We don't need to start a war just to wax a foolish Chicom Mig jockey . . .

13 posted on 11/24/2002 11:19:13 AM PST by Crowcreek
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To: u-89; All
When US military planes paint a big red star on the tail, they will be 'spy planes'!

Until then, they're just doing their job - legally - in front of God and everybody . . .

14 posted on 11/24/2002 11:26:06 AM PST by Crowcreek
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To: u-89
Let me get this straight. We have spy planes flying up and down the Chinese coast, they send aircraft out just to remind us where we are

You don't have it straight.

Think about it a bit more.

15 posted on 11/24/2002 11:31:23 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
I have thought about it. What am I missing? If they buzzed us in the middle of the Pacific it would be an unwarrented aggressive act. When we are just over the line from their territory, right on the edge of their space why should I be surprised or PO'ed? Again what would you have our forces do if the situation were reversed? Send up a bi-plane with a big welcome sign in tow?
16 posted on 11/24/2002 11:49:25 AM PST by u-89
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To: u-89
Two words - international airspace.

17 posted on 11/24/2002 12:45:20 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: u-89
Bob is correct, it is international airspace. It is not right over a line or even close.

But that was not my point. The issue is the recklessness and the "buzzing". The point you talk about can be made by shadowing at a safe distance. That gets the points across just as well.

Communist pilots are creating a dangerous situation. It has already resulted in one collision.

Their behavior goes beyond the actions you talk about. That can be done safely. They are going beyond it and partaking i dangerous and provocative movements.

18 posted on 11/24/2002 1:14:52 PM PST by tallhappy
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To: u-89
In the old days, when the Soviets used to fly their spy planes along the Eastern seaboard, we used to send out fighters to chase them away. The only difference with the current situation is that there were clear rules of engagement with the Soviets, because we did not want a silly incidence to get blown into WWIII.

After last year, I would have thought that US and China would have sat down and made clear of the rules of engagement. The fact that this incidence did not make it into mainstream news showed that this was not a big deal, or both sides did not want to make a big deal out of it.
19 posted on 11/24/2002 2:24:30 PM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: Arkinsaw

Soviets used to escort US recon planes all the time, only rarely shooting one down.

20 posted on 11/24/2002 3:39:26 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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