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Apocalypse Now, or Alottanukes Soon - 2nd Al-Qaeda Tape
The Asia Times: The Roving Eye ^ | J+M+J November 15 A.D. 2002 | Pepe Escobar

Posted on 11/14/2002 4:20:48 PM PST by Siobhan

THE ROVING EYE
Apocalypse Now, or Alottanukes Soon
By Pepe Escobar

At a time when a tape handed over to the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television station has received widespread expose for its purported comments by Osama bin Laden in praise of recent terror events around the world, another al-Qaeda message released to the same station has received little coverage.

Al-Jazeera was granted an interview with one Mohammed al-Usuquf, allegedly al-Qaeda's number three. Al-Usuquf is said to be a doctor in physics and to hold a masters degree in international economics. A copy of the interview was sent to the prestigious Arab-language daily Al Quds Al Arabi, edited in London, but it was not printed. Asia Times Online has obtained a copy of the interview, and reproduces excerpts here, with the caveat that the identity of the man has not yet been confirmed, nor has his membership within al-Qaeda.

Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda's Kuwaiti spokesman, Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, and bin Laden himself, suggested that he grant the interview. Bin Laden, he says, is "alive and healthy, along with his commanders Mohammed Atef, Khalid Shaik Mohammed and Mullah Omar".

Al-Usuquf starts by criticizing Washington's disrespect of the Kyoto Protocol on climatic change, the International Criminal Court and the Palestinian cause, as well as the "financial greed" engendering speculative gains over Third World countries. He also criticizes the manner in which America wastes wealth, like US$80 billion a year on gambling. "They [have] lost the notion of spirituality and only live in sin."

For this reason, America must be destroyed, and al-Usuquf insists that "aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and spy satellites will be worthless in the next war".

Al-Qaeda, according to him, has 5,000 first rank operatives and around 20,000 all over the world. Of all the prisoners in the US, only "20 or 30" are al-Qaeda, and all of them "second-rank". Confirming Asia Times Online information, he swears that there are no first-rank prisoners in Guantanamo in Cuba. Al-Usuquf says, "We have more than 500 first-rank and 800 second-rank [operatives] inside the US." "First rank" are considered ones that have lived in the US for more than 10 years, most of them married with children. "They have an idea about the plans, and they are just waiting for a call." "Second-rank" operatives arrived in the past five years and "have no idea about the plans". They are all willing to die. Al-Usuquf insists that September 11 "was just the beginning. It was a way to call the world's attention to what's going to happen." He then details a plan to destroy the US by "attacking the heart of what they consider the most important thing in the world: money".

"The American economy is an economy of false appearances," says al-Usuquf. "There's no real economic weight. American GNP is something around $10 trillion, but only 1 percent comes from agriculture, and only 24 percent from industry. So 75 percent of its GNP comes from services, and most of it is financial speculation. For someone who understands economics, and apparently America's Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill does not, or cannot, the US as a whole behaves like an immense dot.com, and dollars are its stocks. The value of stocks from a given company is directly proportional to its profitability. When a company only provides services, but does not produce goods, the value of its stocks depends on its credibility. What I'm saying is if US credibility is affected, its stocks - the US dollar - will fall at tremendous speed, and the whole American economy will collapse."

Al-Usuquf is absolutely positive, "because, in a smaller scale, this is exactly what big financial conglomerates do with Third World countries to collect profits in one month that no Swiss bank would guarantee in four to five years". Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda could do the same by "provoking a deficit of $50 to 70 trillion, the equivalent to five to seven years of the GNP of the US". How? By "destroying America's seven largest cities and some other measures". The means? "Atomic bombs." Al-Usuquf's most startling revelation is that the bombs "won't be launched, they are already there". "Seven nuclear heads have already been positioned on American soil, before September 11, and they are ready to be detonated. Before September 11, American security was a fiasco, and even later, if we needed, we could position the bombs there. They arrived through seaports, as normal cargo. A nuclear head is not bigger than a fridge, so it can easily be camouflaged as one. Thousands of containers arrive at a seaport every day, and even with very efficient security, it's impossible to check and examine each one of them."

Al-Usuquf says that the bombs were bought on the black market: five from the former USSR and two from Pakistan. The five Russian heads "are from T-3 missiles, also known as RD-107, and their power is around 100 kilotons each, that is five times the Hiroshima bomb. The Pakistani ones are less powerful, something around 10 kilotons each." Each of the Russian bombs would have cost around $200 million. Al-Qaeda was able to raise the money "because we have many sponsors. Many countries sponsor us, and also some very rich people." And not all of these are Arab countries. "Some European countries as well are also interested in the fall of the US." As to the "rich people", they are "people who are also tired of seeing the US bleeding the rest of the world."

And Iraq's Saddam Hussein, says Al-Usuquf, is not one of these people, "but just a collaborator, represented by Abdul Tawab Hawaish, his vice prime minister and responsible for Iraq's arms program".

Al-Usuquf says that the bombs cannot be detected by US authorities. "Even if they are old, they were modernized and are very well hidden. Even if they were located, they have autodetonation mechanisms in case something or someone gets close. Even an electromagnetic pulse is not capable of deactivating them." The bombs allegedly cannot be detected because "they are enveloped in thick layers of lead". They could be detonated "by various methods - cellphone call, radio frequency, seismic shock or by their regressive clock".

Al-Usuquf details the whole plan. "First, one head would be detonated, which would cause the deaths of 800,000 to 1 million people and a chaos never seen before. During this chaos, two or three planes, which are now disassembled inside barns near empty roads in the US countryside, would take off in suicide missions to pulverize another two or three big American cities with chemicals. Once the disease was identified, all seaports and airports would be quarantined. Land borders would also be closed. No plane, boat or car would enter or leave the US. This would be total chaos." The first target would be the city "that would offer the best conditions, for example bright sky and winds of eight or more miles an hour blowing towards the center of the country, so radioactive dust can contaminate the largest possible area".

This attack would not knock out the US, recognizes al-Usuquf, "But the process would be initiated. As with the World Trade Center, it would be just a question of time for the whole economic structure to be turned to dust. If the objectives are reached with one bomb and diseases, probably we will save the lives of other people, but it's risky, and probably six more bombs will be detonated, one a week, and more attacks with chemical weapons will be launched." According to estimates made by al-Usuquf "and Ayman al-Zawahiri", al-Qaeda's number 2, about 15 million people would die, victims of the bombs and the radiation. Among those contaminated by diseases, "25 percent will die, a figure around more than 5 million, plus many others due to the chaos and disorder".

Al-Usuquf does not fear an American military response. "Even if five or 10 cities are chosen at random to be destroyed, it will still be a small price to pay. The problem is that the economic despair will be so great that even if it saves [money] by not using weapons, American liquidity will be near zero, and the US will make more money selling a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier to Turkey or Italy for $5 billion, because they will urgently need to recapitalize. But it will be too late. Moreover, what will remain of an American soldier's morale to fight knowing that his whole family died and his country ceased to exist? To fight for what?"

The world economy would not collapse, says al-Usuquf, although "in the beginning, it will be very difficult. But without the US the world will soon rise in a more just and fraternal manner. Nothing can stop the plan."

And whatever America does, "it's too late". When will the attack begin? "I can't tell."

(©2002 Asia Times Online Co, Ltd. All rights reserved. Please contact content@atimes.com for information on our sales and syndication policies.)  

           

 


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; hoax; islam; propoganda; psychology; tactics; terrorism; withdrawn
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To: abigkahuna
Empty your cache and try again please. You may just be seeing your own cached view of the article from before.
81 posted on 11/14/2002 11:58:46 PM PST by flamefront
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To: flamefront
This is the topic on Art Bell's show tonight. Steve Quayle is the guest. He posted a the article on his website....http://www.stevequayle.com/index1.html ... story of the week.
82 posted on 11/15/2002 12:05:15 AM PST by Capt_Hank
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To: flamefront
Well I operate with good old webtv and about all I can is hit refresh, which I did and the article still popped up, any other tips?
83 posted on 11/15/2002 12:13:49 AM PST by abigkahuna
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To: Jeff Head
Love your fun response. Perhaps you are right about my smugness.

But it seems plausible to me that the string pullers behind the scenes--probably the ones who facilitated their acquiring nukes in the first place--may have made it abundantly clear that they would not be used until they were told to.

Also, I've read convincing docs in my other hobby research topic that the sequence of threats was designed, planned way back in 1970.

That first stage, there would be a huge and devastating increase in terrorism against particularly the U.S.

Then 2nd stage there would be another war with Iraq. Some say with that war literally bleeding into WWIII.

Supposedly after that will be a supposedly trumped up fear mongering about evil ET's out to conquer us etc. etc. etc.

I doubt the nukes will be used unless and until the real world powers are ready for WWIII to start.

Along with all this are the reports of several to a dozen or 2 who've dreamed of our beloved leader's limo being rocketed or some such and a dictator taking over after that--some feeling it being Clinton. What a nightmare that would be! But I've long felt that Dilldo was eagerly pushing for just such a scenario even when he was in power.

Then there's the reports of the Russian defectors about nukes being in U.S. cities.

etc. etc. and etc.

The times are a changin'

The thicken plots.

I don't know that any of us from almost any perspective can say a whole lot with certainty.

The most certain thing I can say--is I'm convinced God is still ultimately in control and will ultimately have His way as Scriptures outline.

But the outline also includes tons of suffering between here and there.
84 posted on 11/15/2002 12:17:53 AM PST by Quix
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To: Capt_Hank
Oh boy. They don't care if it is a HOAX or not? Just makes a good controversy to jazz up the show. Better call him.
85 posted on 11/15/2002 12:18:20 AM PST by flamefront
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To: abigkahuna
Ah, webtv maintians a cache of their own; I'll bet that is the problem. That's how the guy who first got @home to work to be efficient. I guess it will filter down to you later. Or perhaps try a dialup connection. (I'm on dsl.)
86 posted on 11/15/2002 12:21:59 AM PST by flamefront
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To: flamefront
I'll try the "wild card" line..... LOL.
87 posted on 11/15/2002 12:25:49 AM PST by Capt_Hank
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To: flamefront
I tried re-connecting (dial-up) and after getting back to Freerepublic with an empty cache, I still got the article in question. Either I am getting sometihing different that you all, or it was taken down then put back up, or it was never taken down, or, who knows..
88 posted on 11/15/2002 12:28:39 AM PST by abigkahuna
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To: abigkahuna
After some work, I was finally able to get a page where asia times says the article has been pulled because it was based on a hoax....so there you go
89 posted on 11/15/2002 12:38:59 AM PST by abigkahuna
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To: joyful1; Siobhan; Califelephant; Ciexyz
but,but,but, IIIIssslllaaam is pieceful, aint' it?? That's what Bush and Powell said today??!!

More Stuff Bush & Powell Aren't Telling You

90 posted on 11/15/2002 2:00:06 AM PST by Dajjal
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To: Siobhan
The Signs of Qiyamah
by Mohammed Ali Ibn Zubair Ali and Mufti Afzal Hoosen Elias
91 posted on 11/15/2002 2:03:52 AM PST by Dajjal
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To: Quix
I'm convinced God is still ultimately in control and will ultimately have His way as Scriptures outline. But the outline also includes tons of suffering between here and there

I agree. As to the suffering, short of a miraculous revival spirit taking hold, I believe that too ... I also believe that in the end the liberty will be upheld by His hand as it was with our fouders.

I have written somewhat about a fictional scenario along the lines you discuss. If you are interested, check it out ...

HERE - The Dragon's Fury Series.

A WW III Techno-thriller with a Constitutional Attitude.

92 posted on 11/15/2002 8:30:49 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: flamefront; Jeff Head
With the discovery that this was a hoax we are all in a very dangerous position now because not only news media but also each one of us will be so sceptical of the next threat that we may only come to believe it while watching the moon illuminated with earthshine.
93 posted on 11/15/2002 10:06:37 AM PST by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
Normal "fog of war" media confusion. No, the vigilant are more so.
94 posted on 11/15/2002 10:25:45 AM PST by flamefront
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To: recalcitrant
"I have very little doubt, we WILL use nukes again in our lifetime. America may be brought down one day. But our NATURE is one of rebelling against oppressors no matter the cost, to the last man, woman and child. They have NO idea how fiercely independent and stubborn we are. Viscious and brave, with ZERO fear at the event horizon."

I agree. The islamists do not understand the American mind. They do not understand our history. They do not understand how we think at all. They greatly underestimate us. They mistake our compassion for weakness. They judge us by their own pathetic standards. This will be their undoing. We may be knocked down, but we will come back fighting with a vengeance. Many of us grew up with the threat of nuclear war over our heads. We see it as the unspeakable action that requires a swift and decisive response. I believe we are hardened to retaliate if and when that time comes. As horrific as it was, flying airplanes into buildings did not incite us to the type of action that a nuclear attack would. The islaminazis have not seen our American-style righteous anger fully acted out yet.

95 posted on 11/15/2002 10:41:40 AM PST by sneakers
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To: Jeff Head
Thanks. Have read a fair amount.

Blessings,
96 posted on 11/15/2002 11:12:42 AM PST by Quix
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To: sneakers
The islamists do not understand the American mind. They do not understand our history. They do not understand how we think at all. They greatly underestimate us. They mistake our compassion for weakness.

First, you write splendidly.

Second, you are correct that they don't understand us. But at the same time we don't understand the Arab mind or the Muslim mind. If we did, we would all be signing up to join the armed forces.

A good thread on understanding Arab culture can be found here >>>>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/747968/posts

97 posted on 11/15/2002 11:47:55 AM PST by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
Thanks for the link. I'm closing up my office here at work but will be checking it out when I get home. I think of the saying: "know thine enemy".
98 posted on 11/15/2002 1:04:02 PM PST by sneakers
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To: recalcitrant
you would think if they smoked weed they would be more mellow and happier!
99 posted on 11/15/2002 5:31:19 PM PST by angcat
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