Posted on 11/06/2002 1:39:57 PM PST by Tree of Liberty
Neil Cavuto just interviewed Mitchell E. Daniels, Jr., the director of the OMB, and Neil let it be known that he's hearing rumblings that Pres. Bush is considering a total re-write of the tax code and that SecTreas O'Neill is strongly pushing a national retail sales tax!
I am thrilled that this is where the discussion has turned in less than one day. Think of what we were talking about before yesterday.
This reminds me of what a confederate soldier said when asked about why the troops were so intensely committed to Stonewall Jackson: "He brings us victories".
Well, I've had a lot of differences with Bush at times, over middle-east policy and over distaste with the "new tone in Washington" concept, and over giving some ground on the domestic agenda.
But I'm ready and willing to admit that maybe someone (Bush and his team) had a better plan than me, knew more than I, and could produce better strategy and better thinking than I could.
I'm ready to commit to following Bush's lead.
Why?
Because he brings us victories.
Great. Do you think it is a good idea to only be able to buy ammo from Walmart?
That being said, cheaters will always cheat. But by eliminating the major reasons for cheating, the problem is minimized....which makes the nrst better than the income tax from a compliance standpoint.
The flea market I go to has almost every useful item imaginable with no sales tax. Some of it is new and some used. With a 20 or 30% tax for "new" it will all become "barely used". Then the plainclothes feds will come and try to sort out what is new and what is not, or else shut the whole place down (it is huge). I can't see any way that they can stop these merchants.
The way I see it, eventually all purchases will have to be made at government approved stores. Just by sheer coincidence that's also what the gun controllers would like.
But the people selling it, bought it somewhere. With the Fair Tax they have aleady paid, someone, somewhere.
People at flea markets bought it somewhere when it was new. Or from someone that bought it when it was new.
They buy wholesale from a distributer or importer like they do now.
Oh? Which Dems would you say will put themselves in the public opinion crosshairs by defending the IRS? The same ones who opposed the tax cuts they voted for? Or the ones that voted for the Iraq authorization, even though they didn't agree?
We're talking about the IRS, an almost universally despised institution.
Huh? Where'd that imagination come from? Is it the case today that one can only buy ammo at walmart? No. What indicates to you that for some heretofor unknown reason, ammunition will be available only at walmart... and this due to the implementation of a nrst... and sunspots no doubt???
What the hell kind of sense does that comment make?
Home mortgage interest deductions serve the function of allowing homeowners to pay for interest on their home mortgage with untaxed earnings. Well, under the nrst mortgage interest would be paid with untaxed earnings as well - but there is no need for any deduction because ALL EARNINGS ARE UNTAXED, not just the earnings the pols want to untax you from.
This is a stretch that defies logic. Sorry, I can't see your "leap" from national sales tax to government-approved stores.
Are you forgetting that some states are already funded this way? I don't recall any of them requiring state-approved stores. Caution is good, but let's not be needlessly paranoid.
Now imagine that there are controls to prevent this. I can't imagine any such controls but maybe your imagination is better than mine. Now imagine I want to buy a whole lot of ammunition. I am willing to pay sales tax. How will I be able to purchase that ammo anonymously?
As much was said of the income tax against heavy tarriffs back when the tax was being pushed. You're saying that the sales tax will be small because more will be paying it. That doesn't necessarily follow.
I'd dispute the notion that only 50% of the people earning livings in the US pay income taxes. That means 50% of the people are not paying taxes. If that's true, which I doubt, obviously they are not just protesting taxes by not paying them. Only a very few. The others have a reason and that reason probably has to do with not being able to survive when prices are 30% higher.
Anytime there is a foot in the door, the gap gets wider. The rate will always creep up. The income started at what? And it is now what? No reason to expect that process to cease with a NRST. Because people will be confronted with it every day? They'll adjust without revolt, just they adjust without revolt to some of the most egregious things happening in the country now.
The income tax has limits to its abuse. An NRST has no limits.
Yes, I do too.
But he was murdered, Oct 4, 2001.
We were trying to solve it. But it was covered up.
HR2525 implements significant barriers to the possibility of having a sales tax with an income tax. By the way, these barriers do NOT exist today...meaning that the gov't could, overnight, implement a sales tax on top of our existing income tax....yikes!
By passing HR2525, we would:,
defund the irs
destroy all existing income tax records save those of delinquents
erase 100% of the income tax code
eliminate paycheck withholding
eliminate payroll tax
Even without abolishing the 16th first, we become safer from having both by passing the nrst. After all, how difficult would it be to re-institute an income tax after defunding the IRS, after destroying ALL income tax records, after allowing all of us to receive 100% of our paycheck free of federal deductions? And an entirely new income tax code would have to be re-written.
Those safeguards do not currently exist - it would make us safer to pass the nrst in that regard.
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