Welcome to the Ideopolis. - A new Democrat Majority is Emerging!

The Boston Globe (not on Web Site- Paper Printed Edition Only) ^ | Sunday October 27,2002 | John B. Judis and Ruy Teixeira

[vannrox]

The Democrats will do well, particularly in gubernatorial contests unaffected by talk Of War, but they may not claim the Majority toward which they have been Moving, by fits and starts, since 1996. It won't be long, however Before the decade is over, the Democrats Will complete this journey, and the country will move from conservative Republican majority to a progressive Democratic one.

[vannrox]

I disagree with them, and are actually horried if their conclusions are correct. But I personally believe the opposite to what they state is occurring. I believe that the term that they shoulbe be using is "Libertarian" rather than "Progressive Centralist".

In other points of consideration, I scanned this using an OCR reader. I corrected as best I could some of the OCR errors, but it is possible that some may have slipped through.

Finally, I think that their last line was most note worthy and comment worthy. What do you think?

[jdege]

They think that the tech workers are core Democratic voters?

That's a small thread to pin your hopes on.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Maybe I missed it, but nowhere in the article does the author touch on what the impact of massive third world immigration, who mostly for democrats is having on the electorate nationwide. Without it, the shift to conservatism and Republican control, primarily in the South and West would probably be even more complete.

[Defiant]

Is that ideopolis, or idiotopolis?

[vannrox]

Yea. No kidding.

The only Hi-Techies that are DemoRAT leaning are the Ivory-Tower Scientist types. Biologists, Professors, Analytical Chemists - maybe. Engineers, Designers, Contract Technical, IT - Heck mostly all Conservative or Libertarian.

No Engineer stays Liberal after he looks at his first pay check.

[onedoug]

As most Americans don't think, this is probably true.

[vannrox]

Yea. Indeed you are correct. If it wasn't for the massive influx of people from PREDOMINTANTLY SOCIALIST Countries, the DemocRAT party would be extinct by now.

[AZLiberty]

This was flawed from the first sentence:

Earlier this summer, as the economy slowed and the winds of scandal swept through Washington and Wall Street, it looked likely that the Democrats would win big in November. But the two month long debate over war with Iraq, initiated and orchestrated by the Bush administration, may have blunted this outcome.

This was the Democrats' dream, but Iraq wasn't the primary factor. None of the Democrat trial balloons gained traction (to badly mix metaphors). The voters just didn't care about any of the issues they raised, and when they tried to stir up scandal, more of it stuck to them than to the Republicans.

The Democrats will be surprised at how badly they do on November 5th.

[dljordan]

I work for HAL here on the Front Range of Colorado. Our workforce has a lot of lefties from Boulder in it but a large number of conservatives. Most of the members of my shooting club are tech workers.

[struwwelpeter]

At least they got the colors right (red = commie).

[Consort]

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[Z in Oregon]

Intriguing article. I've always said that the Republican Party needs to work harder for the vote of conservative men, and stop pandering to liberal women. The Republican Party fails when it tries to be The "Democrat Lite" Party.

[FreedomPoster]

Following up on your post - Engineers and scientists are logical creatures, by temperament and training. Logic and reason are the mortal enemy of the Left, who rely on emotion and feelings.

[R W Reactionairy]

"They think that the tech workers are core Democratic voters?"

I agree that this is nutty. I work with a lot of professionals in strongly Dem New Jersey. About 80 / 20 Republicans with the Dems being mostly of the hereditary variety.

The biggest hope for the Democrats is to: (i) Keep the black and hispanic minorities "on the plantation"; and (ii) keep misleading women (who are as a group much more concerned with personal security) about where the Dems are heading.

In short the Democrats need an ill informed and short sighted electorate. The only Republican answer for either group is education. Without at least a fair presentation of the facts, I fear that there really is an emerging Democratic majority.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

Engineers and scientists are logical creatures, by temperament and training. Logic and reason are the mortal enemy of the Left, who rely on emotion and feelings.

Nice...

[okie01]

"A quarter or so of the jobs in Austin, Texas, Raleigh-Durham, Boston, or San Francisco are held by these kinds of workers..."

The authors cite these four "ideopolii" as representative of their coming electoral revolution.

They are, indeed, high-tech centers. But what were they before they became high-tech centers? Hmmmmmmm?

Boston and San Francisco have always been bastions of the left. Austin and Raleigh-Durham are also traditional liberal hotbeds of academe and government workers.

In other words, these "ideopolii" are liberal now...because they've always been liberal.

The authors have mounted a very selective survey, it seems to me, that tends to prove what they already want so desperately to believe.

[ffrancone]

It may help the dems temporarily. But as soon as they grab power, they will (again) lurch to the left, destroy the economy and rip our national defenses apart. This will result in a new republican majority.

Dems are incapable of pretending to be moderate when they actually have power. If they were really moderates, they would not be Democrats.

[Let's Roll]

Not without election fraud it won't, which is why they are such masters at it - election fraud.

[CasearianDaoist]

This distinction is true even on college campuses. The Engineers just keep mum about it.

[Z in Oregon]

The only Republican answer for either group is education.

Democratic ideology controls the public school system, in very deep and dark ways.