The Truth: Gun Ownership IS Allowed in Engand & UK.

British Government Consular Web Site ^

[Cpt Sir Richard Burton]

If an individual imports a firearm and/or ammunition after becoming a resident of the UK, he will need to apply for a firearms or shotgun certificate. Application must be made to the Chief Officer of the Police for the area in which he is resident. The Metropolitan Police Service Firearms Enquiry Team provides specific information on firearms certificates and shotgun certificates.

[Cpt Sir Richard Burton]

Just To Clarify Things

The main reason I posted this thread was that yesterday, on the O'Reilly Radio show Andrew P. Napolitano made the statement that all guns were outlawed in the UK and gun ownership is illegal there. I hear this all the time from American friends.

1. Gun ownership is allowed in the UK, it's easier than in some US states.

2. Even a foreign citizen, provided they are law-abiding can take their guns to the UK and use them.

3. Foreigners, even law-abiding foreigners from countries closely allied with the US, can't own guns in many US states.

4. If you really have the need to own a fully automatic assault rifle; you can still obtain a special license from the Home Office - this fact isn't fully publicised. In fact many high schools have army cadet corps where 15-18 years get to fire the same weapons as the army.

5. Once again GUN OWNERSHIP IS ALLOWED IN THE UK! we even have our own NRA:

http://www.nra.org.uk/
Gun clubs:
http://www.ferndowngc.fsnet.co.uk/menu.html

6. True, it's hard for a 18 year old soccer hooligan to buy a gun - but the majority of us like it that way - it's called "democracy". There aren't hoardes of people in the UK calling for more lax gun laws. However, we are against banning guns; and guess what: GUNS ARE NOT BANNED IN THE UK!

[Cpt Sir Richard Burton]

Assault weapon, a term used loosely - a fully automatic weapon, such as M16, AK47, HKMP50...,

You can still own these if you can be bothered to jump through a lot more hoops with the Home Office.

Yes you can own a hand gun, and keep at home; but it has to be stored securely. You can own a 9mm for example.

[backhoe]

Read these, and get back to us:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/711949/posts

Do Guns Save Lives?

Newsmax | July 7, 2002 | Dr. Michael S. Brown
"an interesting pattern in how many people successfully defend themselves with tiny weapons, like .22, .25 and .32 caliber handguns that are often derided by the anti-gun lobby as "junk guns" and "Saturday night specials." "

 

-Empty-Barrel Gun Policies-A legacy of nonsense from Clinton, Blair, and the Left--

-A Problem With Guns (Long... but SOOOO good)--

Shooting More Holes in Gun Control

Gun Control Down Under

HCI Aussie Style (read it and weep-or laugh)

The Great Australian Gun Law CON!

British Gun Crime Soars

Gun Crimes Surge in London

Canadian Gun Control Has Little Impact on Crime (Home Gun Confiscation/Resisters)

Israel is Arming Its Civilians - Why Aren't We?
... and cyberjournalist. His latest book is The Seven Myths of Gun Control. Topics: News/Current
Events Keywords: GUN CONTROL, ISRAEL, SECOND AMENDMENT, TERRORISM ...
beta.freerepublic.com/focus/news/646679/posts - 39k - Cached

Through the Looking Glass and Back Again - From Anti-gunner to Firearms Instructor in Four Months

Swiss Gun Laws- and some rebuttal to HCI "spin"-- Thread II

Statistical Facts Gun-haters Run From

[coloradan]

Assault weapon, a term used loosely - a fully automatic weapon, such as M16, AK47, HKMP50...,

Nope, not in this country. Try again. There is a strict federal definition. What is it?

[Puppage]

Assault weapon, a term used loosely - a fully automatic weapon

That is incorrect. Among other things, an assault weapon is defined as having a "select fire" switch. The ability to shoot BOTH single shot & automatic. Here in Connecticut you can have either, or. However, not the ability of both on the same weapon.

[Cpt Sir Richard Burton]

1. I Don't hate Guns

2. I Don't like harsh gun laws

3. I do wish to bring and use my guns from the UK
(but I can't bring them to MA; maybe I'll move to Texas.)

4. I'm not an anti-gun nut!

5. Yes, the gun laws are more harsh in the UK... BUT YOU CAN STILL OWN A GUN THERE

[Puppage]

BTW..Britain has the most severe "gun control" laws in the world.Not even members of the British Olympic Shooting Team are allowed pistols. The British are reduced to registered single- and double-barreled shotguns, and the maximum permitted shell load is birdshot.

But, YOU can own a 9mm as you say? NOT

[Mark Turbo]

True, it's hard for a 18 year old soccer hooligan to buy a gun - but the majority of us like it that way - it's called "democracy".

The majority of Freepers don't like "democracy". We prefer individual rights and a constitutional republic to mob rule.

[Cpt Sir Richard Burton]

"Nope, not in this country. Try again. There is a strict federal definition. What is it? "

I don't know.. and I don't particularly care what the exact definition is.

My point is that it is possible to own such things in the UK - I agree that it is harder than it is in the US.

I personally don't have anything against somebody owning such weapons as long they are of good character.

My whole point is that: I have guns in the UK which I wish to use here in the US and I can't! True I live in Massachusetts (at the moment) but a lot of states have the same laws.

If I were a US citizen moving to the UK I could take the SAME guns back there and use them, after obtaining a license.

Which states in the US don't require you to hold some type of government document to purchase and use a firearm? And how many states allow foreign residents to own/buy firearms?

[backhoe]

I'm not an anti-gun nut

Pleased to hear it.

[Puppage]

Yep. That's the difference between being a Citizen, and being a Subject.

[coloradan]

Which states in the US don't require you to hold some type of government document to purchase and use a firearm? And how many states allow foreign residents to own/buy firearms?

It would be simpler to say which ones do - Hawaii, MA, Illinois, and possibly Kalifornistan.

I don't know about state laws across the country, but federal law is that legal aliens who otherwise meet the conditions of the Brady registration check (not a felon, drug user, never committed to an institution, no domestic violence, no restraining order, etc), and have been here for more than 90 days may purchase, own, and use any firearms that are otherwise legal for citizens. In Colorado there is no additional state restrictions on gun ownership, though non-citizens are not eligible for carry permits in some counties.

By the way, Do you believe you have a right to your own life?

[coloradan]

"Nope, not in this country. Try again. There is a strict federal definition. What is it? "

I don't know.. and I don't particularly care what the exact definition is.

Note that your thread centers on setting us straight about British gun laws, but you don't care what US gun laws are even though you moved here.

[Cpt Sir Richard Burton]

Listen, when I say "we" I mean we as a nation, personally I wish the laws were less tough - but that's what the majority of people want in the UK.

However, I don't mind the local police chief making a judgement on whether a young person gets to own a gun. But once you're over 21 then, unless you are a known criminal, there shouldn't be any many restrictions ownership.

If somebody is from a country known to breed nutcases intent on bringing terror to your country, then there should be more background checks etc, but they shouldn't be prevented from owning and using a gun simply for being a foreigner - as I am here in the US.


I'm not saying I agree with the UK gun laws, I am refuting the often stated LIE that all guns are banned in the UK.
From my point of view, granted a unique situation, it is harder to own a gun in the US than the UK. Since I cannot bring the hunting guns, that I used for many years in the UK, to the US.

People buy and use guns legally every day in the UK. Unfortunately we don't have easy access to the range of guns as citizens in the US.


I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE HAVING THE RIGHT TO BARE ARMS.

[Cpt Sir Richard Burton]

"Note that your thread centers on setting us straight about British gun laws, but you don't care what US gun laws are even though you moved here."

Not true, I don't care about the US law on assualt weapons because I'm not trying to bring such things into the US.

I DO CARE about the US law on shotguns, handguns and hunting rifles because that is what I wish to bring into the country to use.

Once again I'm not an anti-gun nut.

[dinodino]

Your first mistake was in moving to Massachusetts. If you move to Illinois, Massachusetts, California, or a couple of other States, you'll have to deal with exceedingly restrictive (and probably unconstitutional) gun laws.

[dinodino]

Why can't you use it for self defense?

[dinodino]

You don't have to move to TX. Just move anywhere else except IL or CA.

[dinodino]

I know two British citizens who legally own guns in the U.S. and are avid shooters. I don't understand where SRB is getting the idea that foreigners are prohibited from owning weapons.

[dinodino]

"A lot of States" do NOT have the same laws. Do not assume that the rest of the Union is like Mass.