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Sand-Covered Huns City Unearthed
China Daily ^ | 10-8-2002

Posted on 10/10/2002 5:43:05 PM PDT by blam

Sand-covered Huns city unearthed

10/08/2002

XI'AN: Chinese archaeologists recently discovered a unique, ancient city which has lain covered by desert sands for more than 1,000 years.

It is the first ruined city of the Xiongnu (Huns) ever found, said Dai Yingxin, a well-known Chinese archaeologist. The Xiongnu was a nomadic ethnic group, who for 10 centuries were tremendously influential in northern China.

The unearthed city occupies 1 square kilometre in Jingbian County, in Northwest China's Shaanxi Province, adjacent to the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region in the north of the country.

It is believed that the city was built by more than 100,000 Xiongnu people in AD 419. Named "Tongwancheng," which means "to unify all countries," the city is composed of three parts: the palace walls, the inner city and the outer city. Watchtowers stand at the four corners of the complex.

The 16 to 30 metre thick city walls are made with sand and white-powdered earth, mixed with glutinous rice water. This intriguing concoction made the earthen walls as hard as those made from stone.

From a distance, the white city looks like a giant ship. The southwestern turret, the highest of the four, is 31 metres high and resembles a ship's mast. The ruined city is now fenced with brush-wood, trees and grass.

"It is the most substantial, magnificent and well-preserved city to be built by any ethnic group in the history of China," said Zhu Shiguang, president of the China Ancient City Society.

Tongwancheng used to be a prosperous city on the upper reach of the Wuding River, a major tributary of the Yellow River. It remained the political, economic and military centre of the southern Ordos Plateau for over five centuries. It was as the river continued to dry up, that the ancient city was buried by moving sands, said Xing Fulai, a research fellow at the Shaanxi Provincial Institute of Archaeology.

Its discovery provides vital information for the study of the Xiongnu tribesmen, who have, to date, remained a mystery to both Chinese and foreign archaeologists because of a lack of adequate historical material and evidence relating to their culture.

Xing said the city ruins will be considered for world heritage status by UNESCO.

Xinhua


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To: mamelukesabre
"I doubt it."

Then you know very little about the Ainu. The Ainu were the original Samurai. Ancient, seldom seen, Japanese paintings show the Samurai as tall, light skinned and hairy people. They were the rulers in their peak. Some say the Japanese custom of 'white face' comes from this period and was an effort by the lower classes to emulate their rulers.

61 posted on 10/12/2002 5:39:09 PM PDT by blam
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To: rmlew
Thanks for the link. I have bookmarked it,and will read it when I get the time.

As for the Picts,nobody really seems to know much about them,right or wrong.

62 posted on 10/12/2002 5:41:12 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: mamelukesabre
Finns are not asiatic looking, at least not the ones that I've seen.

I was talking about the originan Finns,not the modern-day ones who are mostly Scandanavians. The ones who still live in the remote areas and follow the reindeer herds do look Asiatic/Eskimo.

63 posted on 10/12/2002 5:44:37 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
I typed in 'Basque DNA' and here is what came up. If you'll ignore all the Cayce/Atlantis 'stuff', I do believe they refer to the Basque DNA study that both of us must have read. (note the reference to the Altai Mountains though)

Basque DNA

64 posted on 10/12/2002 5:51:13 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The map works for me at the conceptual level, but NOBODY ever asserted there were Celts in Europe in 5600 BC.
65 posted on 10/12/2002 5:52:50 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: blam
I know they are nearly extinct and are seriously discriminated against by the mainland japs. I doubt very much that the situation was completely the reversed only a short 100 years ago.
66 posted on 10/12/2002 5:53:01 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: sneakypete
Are you talking about the Lapps? As in Lapplander?
67 posted on 10/12/2002 5:54:00 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: LostTribe
"The map works for me at the conceptual level, but NOBODY ever asserted there were Celts in Europe in 5600 BC."

Well, who did NOBODY think was there then?

68 posted on 10/12/2002 5:58:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: sneakypete
Ahhh, you are using the slang form of the term "finn". I would expect that is not an ecceptable use of that word anymore. IN the old days when it was acceptable to use racial and cultural slurs, the word "finn" meant a completely different thing. THe swedes and other scandinavian people were prejudiced against all the non-scandinavian people of the north, that is, people that didn't speak a germanic language. THEy called all these people collectively "finns" and it included the laplanders and saami and probably others that live(or lived) in russia such as the samoyeds. Modern day finns are not related to these primitive tribal people at all, and are also not related to scandinavians in any way either.
69 posted on 10/12/2002 6:01:06 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: blam
...the city was built by more than 100,000 Xiongnu people in AD 419. Named "Tongwancheng," which means "to unify all countries," the city is composed of three parts: the palace walls, the inner city and the outer city.

Man, they were after a New World Order too!!

Looks like it panned out about as well as this current attempt will. ;-)

70 posted on 10/12/2002 6:08:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: mamelukesabre
"I know they are nearly extinct and are seriously discriminated against by the mainland japs. I doubt very much that the situation was completely the reversed only a short 100 years ago."

Can't say for sure myself, just something I read. Remember though that 9,300 year old Kennewick Man is believed to be 'mainly' of Ainu descent. (James C. Chatters, Ancient Encounters)

71 posted on 10/12/2002 6:09:13 PM PDT by blam
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To: sneakypete
Mysterious Giant Human Remains Found In Fiji
72 posted on 10/12/2002 6:14:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I don't think so. Kennwick man can't be of ainu descent because kennewick man came first.

Maybe what you meant was that both kennewick man and the ainu are descended from the same ancient race.
73 posted on 10/12/2002 6:14:55 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: LostTribe; blam; sneakypete
The molecular genetics of European ancestry
74 posted on 10/12/2002 6:23:44 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: LostTribe; blam; sneakypete
Gleaned from

PubMed search Item

Click on 'Related Articles'...

75 posted on 10/12/2002 6:28:30 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: blam; sneakypete
Relatedness among Basques, Portuguese, Spaniards, and Algerians studied by HLA allelic frequencies and haplotypes

Link to pdf article at bottom...
76 posted on 10/12/2002 6:31:28 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: mamelukesabre
"Maybe what you meant was that both kennewick man and the ainu are descended from the same ancient race."

No, I meant to say Ainu because that's what James C, Chatters, PhD (He did the Kennewick Man work) said in his book, Ancient Encounters.

Now, having said that, I do agree with you about a more ancient race and I would prefer the Jomon instead of the Ainu.

Kennewick Man

77 posted on 10/12/2002 6:45:14 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
>Well, who did NOBODY think was there then?

Well, that's a whole n'other question. But the Celts as we know them didn't even exist until 610 BC or so, with "proto-Celts" coming in small quantities sometime after 1500 BC or so. This little history puts that all into perspective:


3-MINUTE HISTORY OF THE CELTS

Four Thousand years ago, Abraham (a great-great grandson of Shem, a son of Noah) and a small group of Hebrews (of which there were & are many varieties) migrated from southern Iraq to Canaan (~Palestine). Several generations later, around 1853 BC, his Grandson Jacob (who was renamed Israel) and his 12 Sons and families moved to Egypt. As offspring of Shem, they were called "Shemites" or "Semites", as were his many other offspring.

~1453 BC, now as the 12 Tribes of the 12 Sons of Israel, and over 3 Million strong, these Semites bailed out of Egypt in the well-documented overland EXODUS and fled back to ~Palestine.  But the Tribes "couldn't all get along" there, so ~922 BC these 5 Million Israelites split into the Northern and Southern Kingdoms.

(In actual numbers, 5 Million people is about the same size as Ireland, Norway, Denmark or Israel today, and was 10% of the estimated 50 Million world population at that time. The world population is now ONE HUNDRED TIMES as large. Compared to todays 6 Billion people, the Israelites relative population would have been over twice as large as the United States of America!)

The very large Northern Kingdom of Israel was made up of 10 of the Tribes. Inheriting the Kingly names which applied to all 12 Tribes before the split, the Northern Kingdom (alone) becomes known as the Kingdom of Israel or House of Israel, (also House of Joseph, House of Ephriam, House of Isaac, and House of Omri), and is led by the northern Tribe of Ephraim.

Two hundred years later these Northern Israelites were taken into captivity by the Assyrians (~722 BC) and relocated to the northern Fertile Crescent area of Iraq/Iran. They were not diligent in updating their eMail addresses, thus were called, by some, the "Lost Tribes", or "Lost Sheep" or "Lost Children" of the Kingdom or House of Israel. (However at ~1/12 or more of the worlds population it seems unlikely they would actually disappear, or get "lost". The global population now ~75 Million.)

A hundred years later, this "lost" Northern Kingdom of Israel with now over 6 Million Israelites helped the Medes and Persians overthrow the Assyrians, then escaped north through the Caucasus Mountains and around the Black and Caspian Seas, to explode into history ~610 BC as The Celts. These Celts mixed with (and fought against) each other, and with other scattered Israelites (proto-Celts) who had escaped from Egypt by sea nearly a thousand years earlier, before the overland Exodus. Also, with other Israelites who migrated from Palestine after the overland Exodus but before the Assyrian captivity and who had already established numerous outposts in Europe and elsewhere.

These Millions of Celts grew to become Tens, then Hundreds of Millions as they migrated in waves westward and northwest to Galatia, Ephesus, Corinth, Thessalonika, Phillipi, Collosse, to what is today Hallstatt, Austria and Neuchatel, Switzerland (where exist major Celtic digs and museums) and beyond, to totally dominate Northern and Western Europe. These Celts (also as Cimmerians, Scythians, Danaoi, Massagetae, Milesians, Masilia, Sarmatians, Germani, Goths, Franks, Gauls, Lombards, Belgae, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vandals, Danes, Normans, and other assorted "Barbarians") are the rootstock of today's Europeans and Americans who became the backbone of global Christianity.

The much smaller Southern Kingdom was made up of the Tribe of Judah & a mix of Levites and Benjamites. It was also known as the Kingdom of Judah or House of Judah. These Southern Israelites (aka Judeans) were taken captive in ~587 BC and removed to Babylon. Only ~50,000 Judeans returned to Palestine ~70 years later. They and their offspring are called Jews.


78 posted on 10/12/2002 6:50:59 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: Black Agnes
Good link. Thanks.
79 posted on 10/12/2002 7:01:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: sneakypete
DAMN,but you got a good eye! That's almost scarey.

Yes, indeed it is. And that's why the Internet was invented by Aldork - to reveal the scary coincidences.

And, it just so happens I had a few thousand photos of Courteney Cox lying around the walls and ceiling of my trailer house, so it was easy. That's not weird is it? Nope. It isn't. NoNoNoNoNoNoNo.

where's my blue blankie?

80 posted on 10/12/2002 8:43:53 PM PDT by Hank Rearden
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