Why are Conservatives Never Angry at Affirmative Action in the Form of Legacies?

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[jstone78]

Conservatives oppose Affirmative Action because it offends their idea of justice and fairness. But there is one form of preferences that conservatives never seem to oppose - Legacies.

In the 1990s, the state of California outlawed preference programs that favored certain racial groups, but left legacy-based preference programs intact. Less qualified students are able to get into the top colleges, Berkeley and UCLA, not because of any special talent they have, but because they are the sons or daughters of wealthy donors to the college, or because their parents were alumni of the college.

As a result of preference programs based on legacies, many working class kids - mostly white - are denied admission to some of the top colleges in the country. Many of the beneficiaries of legacy preference programs are rich liberals such as Ted Kennedy.

To his credit, the California conservative activist, Ward Connerly, has condemned legacy-based preferences and quotas. But most conservatives are silent on legacy preferences. Why?

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[Poohbah]

I've never heard of legacy-based admissions for UC or CSU schools, only private schools--and private schools should have freedom of association.

[discostu]

Interesting question. Personally I don't see a problem with sucking up to rich folks. Of course I worked for a startup company for a number of years and my salary came entirely from investment capital (which is the direct result of sucking up to rich folks). So my view may be skewed. Anyway, rich guys wanting their names on university buildings are providing funds the university would otherwise seek from the tax payers, so their saving me money as well as getting junior some preferential treatment by the admissions department.

[=Intervention=]

I don't care about public schools -- they're rotting carcasses of a failed mass-brainwash attempt by the atheistic left. That they say one thing and do another there doesn't surprise me and neither should it surprise you. I think you'll find most conservatives opposed to government schools as a starting point -- so whatever those schools do after sucking at the public teat is just one more example of their corruption. As for private schools, they are outside of government control, so nothing bars them from having any sort of admissions policy they want.

[marron]

There is nothing wrong with Affirmative Action based on financial need, otherwise known as "scholarships". Since the financial need exists most heavily among minorities, it will have the same effect as racial quotas, except for one crucial difference:

No one will ever believe you got where you are based on your race. You may have got a hand-up financially, but you had to earn it in the class room and on the job. This is the kind of color-blind affirmative action that Republicans back.

[w1andsodidwe]

Legacies are not affirmative action. In case you don't know it there actually was performance required. It is not arbitary based upon color of skin, etc. Anyone can qualify regardless of national origin.

The alumni of a University are essentially advertisements(good or bad) for the university.

Of course, you are going to say, "Well not everyone's ancestor attended a university and has a legacy to hand down". Before you say that, be aware that I received no legacy from my ancestore. That does not mean that I should not be able to pass one down to my descendants. I worked hard to earn my degree.

Get over it and get on with your life and make your own legacies. Quit worrying about someone elses legacy and make your own. That is part of growing up and becoming an adult. Give up your petty jealousy.

[Texas_Jarhead]

I am not familiar. Would someone please explain what these 'legacies' are.

[imperator007]

Colleges depend on their alumni for support, and need to encourage that support. You should not bite the hands that feeds you.
They dont need parasites on scholarships who are unqualified to enter the class. Skin color should have nothing to do with admissions or scholarships. I know very wealthy blacks who are admitted to schools on scholarships.

[rmlew]

1. Legacies are good policy. They ensure the financial stability of institutions.
2. Legacies are low in number. Teh fact is taht most children of graduate are bright rich kids who don't need the help.
3. Teh discrepency for legacies at Ivy League universities is far less than that for minorities. I imagine it is the same elsewehere.

[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>I know very wealthy blacks who are admitted to schools on scholarships.<<<


I know very wealthy WHITES who have gained preferential treatment regarding college admissions by claiming to be black! When I confronted one politely after hearing him boast about it in front of a girlfriend, he said something like a great great grandfather was supposedly black, and the line-drawing issue regarding "who is black" didn't seem to preclude his getting credit for the discrimination that his lineage probably endured.

The question is, though, will the U.S. Supreme Court abolish pigment-based admissions quotas this term?

[driftless]

If legacies are discriminatory, then they are discriminatory against anyone who doesn't have a family member who graduated from one of those institutions where legacy policies exist. That would also entail millions of people considered "white" I do believe. I had an older brother who graduated years before I did from the same college. I'm a "white" person of color, and I received no free admission on account of my bro graduating before me.

[MacDorcha]

i dont know about most of you guys, but i dont care about legacy affermative action for the same reason you wait until you get the retarded prince-turned-king ruling the area you want to conquer. if the son of a ceo is stupid, the company will look to someone else, or the company falls and someone or something else takes its place. if they arents stupid, then they have the right to follow in the parent's footsteps. i do mind, however, someone getting a job aside from whatever the dad(typically) had, especially a lower end job that isnt open to most. bill gates may choose his sucessor based on blood or what not all he wants, but the second he gives a job as a manager based on it is where i draw the line. the logic might sound a little fuzzy to one who doesnt read what ive said very carefully. im no hypocrate.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Would someone please explain what these 'legacies' are.

Here's one example:

[perez24]

I don't think a legacy is a free ride per se, rather a preference in being admitted to the school. I don't have a problem with them for one of the aforementioned reasons, i.e. someone had to accomplish something in order for the preference to exist.

I wasn't a "legacy" since my dad and I went to different colleges. Somehow I managed to get into the colleges of my choice (i changed majors a few times) and graduate, so I think that they are somewhat overrated.

[Lockbox]

Why are Conservatives Never Angry at Affirmative Action in the Form of Legacies?

Why? Real simple we have our legacies and they have theirs. Ours go to college, theirs go to jail. Ours are successful taxpayers, theirs are trough suckers.

So you see it’s very simple, conservatives don’t what the other's legacy, but they want ours.

[Rodney King]

Who do you think pays for your ass to school? It ain't the black folks.

[Rodney King]

Bluto wasn't a legacy, Dorfman was.

[Rodney King]

I know very wealthy WHITES who have gained preferential treatment regarding college admissions by claiming to be black!

The biggest scam is the Native American one. At most schools, a 1/32nd heritage is enough. Of course, at that point, nobody knows so it is easy to lie about. My wife is 1/8th native american. When she went to one of the top law schools she said that the native american students association was all white people.

[jstone78]

{"....Get over it and get on with your life and make your own legacies. Quit worrying about someone elses legacy and make your own. That is part of growing up and becoming an adult. Give up your petty jealousy...."}

This has nothing to do with jealousy.

I supported the repeal of the Estate Tax, in order to allow people to pass on 100 percent of their wealth to their sons and daughters.

But a place in a public college should not be anyone's private property. The rich man's kid should meet the same high standards for college admission, as the working class man's kid.

Does that sound like "jealousy" or "socialism" to you?