Boys File Suit For Admission to Girl Scouts

CNSNews.com ^ | September 24, 2002 | Dover Smeed

[Moosejaw]

A group of high school students from Gary, Indiana is suing the Girl Scouts for not admitting teenage boys to a local troop.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Indianapolis Tuesday, asks the court to allow five boys, ages 15 and 16, to join a local Girl Scout troop and to find the organization's membership policies discriminatory, calling the girls-only policy "one that arbitrarily, capriciously and unconstitutionally excludes persons based solely on a personal characteristic - their sex."

About 2.8 million girls between the ages of five and 17 belong to the Girl Scouts and its associated organizations, according to Girl Scouts of the USA.

"The hate and discrimination displayed by the Girl Scouts' deliberate exclusion of teenage boys is a travesty that needs to stop now," said Clarence Knustler, attorney for the boys. "The claim that discriminating is essential to their ability to convey what they want to convey to their members is appalling."

One of the boys named as a plaintiff in the suit, 16-year-old Kyle Nadler, said the lawsuit boiled down to a question of freedom of association.

"I just figured joining the Girl Scouts would be a good way to, you know, meet some chicks and all," said Nadler, a junior at Lew Wallace High School in Gary. "I'm thinking if I can join now, I'd probably meet some babes in time for prom."

Similar sentiments were expressed by 15-year-old Derrick Baldwin, another plaintiff who also attends Lew Wallace High. "It's hard to meet cool chicks who are, like, in to fire and stuff, so joining the Girl Scouts would be the bomb," said Baldwin. "I mean, what's the big deal about scouting for a babe who digs me? Get it?"

"Besides," said Baldwin, "Samoas rule."

Girl Scouts of the USA spokesperson Helen Rao said the group wants to keep teenage boys out of the organization because "the introduction of an adolescent, male-female dynamic into Girl Scouting would be counter-productive to our mission and place our girls in a potentially difficult situation."

According to Rao, scout leaders and some parents have voiced fears that allowing teenage boys to join the Girl Scouts might result in "unwanted advances and inappropriate liaisons," between scouts, undermining the mission of the group.

But Knustler discounted the notion that allowing teenage boys to join the Girl Scouts might lead to sexual activity among scouts. "This is just such an outrageous smear," said Knustler. "It's this sort of extremist stereotyping that causes so many problems for so many teenage boys."

Instead, Knustler argued that the Girl Scouts should open its membership to teenage boys "as a demonstration of their commitment to diversity and a repudiation of bigoted conservatism," and that the inclusion of boys would only help the Girl Scouts with their various philanthropic activities.

Knustler also noted that adult male volunteers are allowed to participate in Girl Scout activities, and said denying membership to teenage boys "smacks of age discrimination."

Juliet Low, the leader of Girl Scout Troop 327 in Gary, Ind., expressed concerns that adding teenage boys to her troop might compel parents to pull their daughters out of the program.

"Parents look to us for safe guidance and supervision of their daughters," said Low. "To include teenage boys in our camping and nature activities would trigger a negative response from moms and dads who don't want their girls possibly facing the advances of boys."

According to Low, the "natural inclinations and orientation," of teenage boys would "unnecessarily place our girls at risk of getting into an unwanted situation. We have an obligation to keep these girls out of situations where they might get into trouble."

But Nadler said Low's argument was moot because teenage boys and girls would invariably "hook up" regardless of whether he and other boys gained admission to the Girl Scouts.

"If a chick's got the hots for me, I'm down with that," said Nadler. "It's not, like, a question of 'if,' it's a question of 'when.' This just kind of makes the whole hooking-up thing so much cooler."

Nadler and his fellow plaintiffs found support from the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, which is reviewing the boys' lawsuit and may bolster their case through 'friend of the court' briefings.

"The co-mingling of young boys and girls in remote, loosely-supervised situations is a healthy and natural part of becoming a productive adult member of society," said Planned Parenthood Deputy Communications Director Delores Iudicap. "We strongly encourage teenagers to seek and find opportunities to interrelate with each other, without adult intrusion, as part of their personal growth."

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[far sider]

New Girl Scout motto: Les-be friends.

[Bernard Marx]

In case some guys really decide to do this, I strongly advise against it: the Girl Scout indoctrination is likely to turn them into male lesbians. Scary thought!

[Aunt Polgara]

I contacted William Satire, famous wordsmith who in an earlier life wrote pap for a president who shall remain nameless, and he told me that the proper term for people from the island of Samoa is "Samoan."

Ah, but Samoas are Girl Scout COOKIES. :-)

[yoe]

How utterly ridiculous, however tongue in cheek and how very sad this lawyer, Clarence Knustler can’t find any real work. He must gain notoriety riding the backs of teenagers and makes rhetorical comments "The hate and discrimination displayed by the Girl Scouts' deliberate exclusion of teenage boys is a travesty that needs to stop now,"--- "The claim that discriminating is essential to their ability to convey what they want to convey to their members is appalling." surely the man is kidding.

The civics lesson to be learned here is that anyone can file a law suit for around $25.00 but they had better have a real reason and not just messing around – which of course is the real reason these boys brought this not very original idea to a lawyer in the first place. However, I seriously doubt a judge, a real Judge will allow this airy-fairy flimsy complaint to come before his bench. However considering the “natural inclinations” of young people, has anyone conducted a poll (Clintonisk like) among teenage girl scouts to test the waters of such a move? A veritable bed of fertile enthusiasm might be out there.

[weegee]

The CD ROM collection of Mad (from 1954-199x) should be in every school. It would do a lot to educate kids.

[weegee]

"What kind of 'girly man' would join the Girly Scouts?!!"

[weegee]

There is another way...

[RonF]

Actually, girls between the ages of 14 and 21 can join a traditional BSA program. It's called Venturing, for boys and girls (young men and women) from Freshman in HS to 21. Outdoor activities, oath and law that pledges duty to God and Country, uniforms (they are allowed to design their own), etc. Good stuff. The "youth protection" is a bit more extensive, and co-ed groups require co-ed supervision at all times.

[jjm2111]

Gotcha - it's satire.

[jjm2111]

It'ssatire.

[jjm2111]

The link is wrong. It's satire.

[Carry_Okie]

I went there after posting.

[Aunt Polgara]

Yes, Venturing is co-ed as is the Explorer scout program, although the Explorers are also going through the lawsuit stuff, especially things like police explorers because the actually ARE sponsored by government entities.

[headsonpikes]

What? Me Worry? bttt!

;^)

[RonF]

Actually, Exploring is no longer a traditional Scouting program. It used to be. But, about 3 years ago there was a lawsuit in the City of Chicago against the City, because the Police and Fire Departments were sponsoring Explorer Posts. Back at that time some Explorer Posts were organized around vocational programs (law enforcement, emergency services, etc.), and some were organized around advanced high-adventure (canoe trips, remote area backpacking, etc.). As a result of the lawsuit, Explorer Posts were given an option to either remain Explorer Posts (vocational) or to become Venturing Crews (high-adventure). At the deadline, Venturing Crews remained in the traditional BSA program, with Oath, Law, Duty to God and Country, etc., and Explorer Posts became part of the BSA's Learning for Life program, which has some ethical content but has no oath, no law, no religious or sexual orientation requirements, etc.

[Ohioan]

Wacko, to be sure. But it does put an exclamation mark on the absurd times in which we live, when Government gets into policing people's associations, preferences, etc..

Perhaps what modern America most needs is a Dean Swift, who could effectively satirize the Leftist lunacy after two generations of pursuing "equality."

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[Erasmus]

I wish only that instead of the word "admission" the headline writer had used the words "entry into."

[Erasmus]

Ohhhh, I get it!

These were gay Boyscout wannabes who were suing to get into the Boyscouts so that they could sue to get into the Girlscouts.

[Aunt Polgara]

Explorer Posts became part of the BSA's Learning for Life program, which has some ethical content but has no oath, no law, no religious or sexual orientation requirements, etc.

I didn't know that. Sad...