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Clinton adm. blocked intel: known Al-Qaeda flight students lived openly in San Diego
The Washington Times via FrontPage.com ^ | Sept. 23, 2002 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 09/23/2002 10:27:24 AM PDT by Havisham

Agent: FBI Never Got 9/11 Data
By Bill Gertz
The Washington Times | September 23, 2002

An FBI agent told Congress yesterday that days before September 11 he complained to FBI headquarters that "someone will die" because senior bureau officials refused to permit him to pursue one of the men who later took part in the Pentagon suicide attack.

The New York-based FBI agent told a joint House-Senate hearing on the intelligence failures of September 11 that he and other FBI agents were denied CIA intelligence information on Khalid Al-Mihdhar and Nawaf Al-Hazmi.

The two al Qaeda terrorists would end up aboard the aircraft that flew into the Pentagon in a suicide attack.

The CIA had identified the two terrorists from a meeting in Malaysia in January 2000 but never informed the FBI, officials testified yesterday.

The FBI agent said a bureaucratic "wall" prevented intelligence from being shared in a criminal investigation of the two terrorists.

"This resulted in a series of e-mails between myself and the FBI headquarters analyst working the matter," the agent said.

The agent sent an e-mail message to headquarters complaining about the information blockage on Aug. 29, 2001: "Whatever has happened to this, someday someone will die, and, wall or not, the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems. Let's hope the national security law unit will stand behind their decisions then, especially since the biggest threat to us now, [Osama bin Laden], is getting the most protection."

The FBI agent's testimony is among numerous intelligence failures related to the September 11 attacks now being probed by Congress.

Earlier, Eleanor Hill, the staff director of the congressional panel, testified that numerous intelligence signs were missed.

Neither the CIA nor FBI was able to "see the potential collective significance of the information, despite the increasing concerns throughout the summer of 2001 of an impending terrorist attack," Mrs. Hill said.

The testimony made clear that legal restrictions that prevented sharing intelligence information that could be used in legal prosecutions were a major impediment in pursuing terrorists.

Mrs. Hill stated in testimony yesterday that Al-Mihdhar and Al-Hazmi lived openly in San Diego after being linked to al Qaeda in Malaysia. The two used their names on an apartment lease, took flight lessons and obtained and renewed visas.

The two men were placed on the State Department's watch list on Aug. 23, 2001, and the FBI in New York was prevented from investigating the two men.

The FBI agent and a CIA officer testified at the congressional hearing from behind a glass enclosure to obscure their identities.

After learning that Al-Mihdhar was one of the September 11 attackers, the FBI agent said: "I was upset. I remember explaining this is the same Khalid Al-Mihdhar we had talked about for three months."

The FBI was faulted at the hearing for failing to pursue an FBI agent's warning in a memorandum from Phoenix that U.S. flight schools should be investigated for possible al Qaeda terrorists. It was also blamed for refusing to obtain a surveillance warrant for a computer used by Zacarias Moussaoui, who has been charged in the September 11 plot.

The CIA did fully share its intelligence about the January 2000 terrorist meeting in Malaysia with the FBI, which was investigating the bombing of the USS Cole in October 2000.

The Clinton administration imposed new restrictions that prohibited sharing intelligence information with criminal investigators, according to U.S. officials. The restrictions were lifted after September 11.

Mrs. Hill, the inquiry staff director, testified that the CIA and FBI had no information linking 16 of the 19 hijackers to terrorism or terrorist groups before the attacks.

Al Qaeda terrorist leaders may have selected the terrorists because they were not well known to authorities, she said.

In addition to Al-Mihdhar and Al-Hazmi, U.S. agencies had information about Al-Hazmi's brother, Salim Al-Hazmi.

According to Mrs. Hill, the CIA was unaware that the National Security Agency, which conducts electronic eavesdropping, had gathered information on Nawaf Al-Hazmi, linking him to al Qaeda.

The NSA failed to share the information with the CIA, she said.

According to testimony yesterday, the CIA learned in March 2000 that Nawaf Al-Hazmi came into the United States through Los Angeles International Airport on Jan. 15, 2000.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; alhazmi; almihdhar; alqaeda; balkans; betrayal; cia; clinton; clintonism; fbi; hazmi; hijackers; mihdhar; multiculturalism; nationalerosion; nsa
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Yes, and also recall that the Clinton administration refused to turn over sensitive information on our national security until after the decision in December of 2000 in the Gore vs. Bush case by the Supreme Court...these delays and restrictions all put on by the Clinton administration were done on purpose to hamper the incoming administration. Now we are seeing that it reveals the treasonous actions of X42! Prosecute him!
21 posted on 09/23/2002 11:10:06 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: Destro
). The Clinton's it seems were al-Qaida

I have more or less come to the same conclusion, though I would word it differently. I invite comment.

I have said a number of times that our foreign policy since the eighties has been essentially designed by Riyadh. There are a number of reasons for this, not all of them bad ones.

Al Qaeda is our term of convenience for Saudi operatives at work all across Asia. Bin Ladin was a leading control agent for these operatives. The Saudis, in part through Bin Ladin, managed to establish rebel movements in every country in Central Asia, and inside Russia itself, and inside China. Kashmir, India proper, Indonesia, the Philippines, all had rebel movements fomented by the Saudis. Bin Ladin was not the commander per se of these movements, but he was a key personage in the training and motivating of these movements.

For a number of reasons, we found it useful to actively aid these movements, in some cases, or tolerate them in others. We and the Saudis were joined at the hip, and as they ignored our support of Israel, we ignored their support of some troublesome groups, such as the Philippinos.

This is also why we would monitor, but not interfere with Muslim radicals in the US.

And this is why we tolerated Bin Ladin for so long, after he began to target us. Our aim for a long time was to try to redirect his aim away from us, and back toward targets we and the Saudis could agree on.

So, my question is, if I am right, why did Bin Ladin begin to target us? Did he start to believe his own rhetoric? Did he get too big for his britches? Did he start to work for Saddam?

My personal answer is that the Wahabist movement is volatile enough that it is uncontrollable, and it was inevitable that it would target us, just as it will inevitably target the Saudi regime. The Saudi's own movement will eventually consume it, if the Saudi's don't dismantle it first.

September 11, and the new Bush presidency, and our new relations with Russia, have motivated us to reverse course and turn on Al Qaeda, and begin to roll up the operations. For the Saudis its a little more complicated. Some in the regime see the danger, and will acquiesce in this. Others are loyal Al Qaedists, and will try to topple the Saudi regime.

Both sides have the money to buy US lawyers and PR firms, and Congressmen, and so part of the battle will be fought out in the Pankisi Gorge, but the more important part will be fought out on CNN and US federal court, and on the floor of the Senate.

22 posted on 09/23/2002 11:14:51 AM PDT by marron
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To: Havisham
Here's another interesting piece about the etiology of some of the intelligence failure, too.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/755554/posts

Earlier, Eleanor Hill, the staff director of the congressional panel, testified that numerous intelligence signs were missed.

You also might want to review Ms. Hill's previous job performance.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/753887/posts

Grassley, a staunch critic of the IG's office under Hill's leadership, tells Insight: "My three-year oversight investigations of the Inspector General's Office has uncovered a number of serious problems, including high-level misconduct and the falsification of investigative and audit reports."

Interesting reading.

23 posted on 09/23/2002 11:15:25 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
The entire debacle belongs on the Clinton doorstep.

Bush had the responsibility from the moment he was sworn in. What Clinton did is one thing, well worth a thoughtful upchucking, but what Bush didn't do is another. If 'events' moved too slowly for Bush to do the job right, it was because Bush moved too slowly.

Sorry, but being 'in charge' means you're responsible for all the things nobody tells you.

24 posted on 09/23/2002 11:19:55 AM PDT by Grut
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To: Havisham
Its so complicated, I can't begin too.

The links I posted in #14 are just on the domestic front. In the BIN LADEN GATE article the links point to a policy that began overseas, mostly in the Balkans and slowly entered into the USA. In fact the 9/11 Atta cell came into the USA around the same time Clinton used NATO to support the aims of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which the State Dept. once branded a terrorist group with links to al-Qaida. Bosnia holds the same similarities (Bin Laden had a Bosnian passport at one time).

I am not suggesting there was any American collusion with al-Qiada that caused 9/11!! Let us be clear on that. I am suggesting maybe a blowback of some kind in which "agents" (for lack of a better term) being used to further Clinton foreign policy aims double crossed their benefactors (again for lack of a better term).

25 posted on 09/23/2002 11:21:13 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Havisham
One morning at the nub end of Bill Clinton's presidency, Clinton chief of staff John Podesta walked into a senior staff meeting in the Roosevelt Room waving a copy of USA Today. Holding the paper aloft, Podesta read the headline out loud, "Clinton actions annoy Bush." The article detailed the new rules and Executive Orders the outgoing President was issuing in his final days, actions aimed in equal measure at locking in Clinton's legacy (in areas like environmental protection) and bedeviling his successor. "What's Bush so annoyed about?" Podesta asked with a devilish smile. "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done."
Link.

"We laid a few traps," chirps a happy Clinton aide.....


26 posted on 09/23/2002 11:24:46 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Destro
"The Clintons were Al-Qaeda..." Functionally, I see your point.
27 posted on 09/23/2002 11:28:05 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: marron
My comment is that you've summed it up very clearly.

...Al Qaeda is our term of convenience for Saudi operatives at work all across Asia. Bin Ladin was a leading control agent for these operatives. The Saudis, in part through Bin Ladin, managed to establish rebel movements in every country in Central Asia, and inside Russia itself, and inside China. Kashmir, India proper, Indonesia, the Philippines, all had rebel movements fomented by the Saudis. Bin Ladin was not the commander per se of these movements, but he was a key personage in the training and motivating of these movements.

For a number of reasons, we found it useful to actively aid these movements, in some cases, or tolerate them in others. We and the Saudis were joined at the hip, and as they ignored our support of Israel, we ignored their support of some troublesome groups, such as the Philippinos.

This is also why we would monitor, but not interfere with Muslim radicals in the US....

a Btt doesn't seem adequate, marron.

28 posted on 09/23/2002 11:43:41 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
"What's Bush so annoyed about?" Podesta asked with a devilish smile. "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done."

This gets me to thinking that if Barbara Olson hadn't been killed by Al-Qaeda on Sept. 11th we'd be much farther ahead in the analysis of Bill Clinton's involvement in the intelligence failure. Olson's last book blew open the magnitude of Bill Clinton's depraved abuse of pardons and executive orders. Unfortunately, the book was published during the first shocked weeks after Sept. 11. so its content went unnoticed.
29 posted on 09/23/2002 11:55:45 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Yes, they laid a few traps and three thousand innocent men, women, and children found out what they were.
30 posted on 09/23/2002 12:10:40 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Grut
Yes, President Bush was at the helm, but notice the "traps" that were set by Clinton:
"FBI agents were denied CIA intelligence information
bureaucratic "wall" prevented intelligence from being shared
legal restrictions that prevented sharing intelligence information
FBI was faulted at the hearing for failing to pursue an FBI agent's warning
Clinton administration imposed new restrictions that prohibited sharing intelligence information with criminal investigators
The restrictions were lifted after September 11."
All of the quotes were from your posted article.
31 posted on 09/23/2002 12:14:46 PM PDT by encm(ss)
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To: Grut
Bush DID do something...FBI reform was already in progress when 9/11 happened...

NewsMax.com Wires
Thursday, June 21, 2001

WASHINGTON - Attorney General John Ashcroft on Wednesday ordered a comprehensive review of the FBI, including an evaluation from the private sector, as a first step in broadly reforming the bureau.

In his memo to Thompson, who oversees the FBI, Ashcroft told his deputy that he wanted the department's new Strategic Management Council, or SMC, to "undertake a comprehensive review of the bureau, and by Jan. 1, 2002, submit recommendations to me for reforms within the FBI."

Thompson is the highest-ranking department official on the SMC, which was formed in May by Ashcroft to initiate long-range planning in the department.

Each member of the SMC "should identify and recommend actions dedicated to improving and upgrading the performance of the FBI, assisting the incoming director with the many challenges to be faced, and reinforcing the FBI's effectiveness as the premier law enforcement organization in the world," Ashcroft said.

FBI Director Louis Freeh is leaving the bureau this month, two years short of his full 10-year term.

Ashcroft said he also wanted the SMC to "commission a management study of the FBI, by a private firm, to review policies and practices of the bureau including information technology, personnel, crisis management and performance appraisal" by Nov. 1.

In a move that might prove controversial within the bureau, Ashcroft said the SMC "should independently solicit input from other individuals and organizations, both internal and external, including Congress, who may have constructive ideas on reforming and improving the FBI."

Newsmax

Mueller had been in charge of the FBI a total of 6 days when 9/11 happened, he barely had time to get the key to the executive washroom ...I guess you blame him as well.

Bush also had a plan to take out al Queda before 9/11...

Shortly before the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, U.S. security officials prepared a presidential order to dismantle the al Qaeda network later blamed for the attacks, the White House said Friday. It was dated September tenth, and sat on National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice's desk awaiting Bush's review when the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were struck.

CBS


32 posted on 09/23/2002 12:57:11 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: swarthyguy; Havisham; aristeides; Fred Mertz; OKCSubmariner; honway; EBUCK; Iwentsouth; backhoe; ...
Clinton and Bush and both their admins, and all the Congresses in power during thses times are ALL GUILTY!

Never forget stupid Condi Rice , over and over saying "No one ever imagined that planes would be used as weapons to ram into buildings".

One easily documented utterance from a twit that is incompetent and guilty.

I hate them all.

I want them all impeached,recalled, fired and put on trial.
33 posted on 09/23/2002 1:00:22 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Destro
It wasn't Coleen Rowley. It it was a gentleman. He appeared to be about 35 years of age. He got quite emotional when he recalled how his observations were dismissed, and had they been followed up on, they could have perhaps prevented all of that carnage.
34 posted on 09/23/2002 1:02:52 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Havisham; Marysecretary; swarthyguy; boomop1; *balkans; vooch; marron; OldFriend; ...
Regarding the points I and marron made, please read my post:

Bush shuts down terrorist financial support network in U.S. that Clinton knew existed and ignored

Why was this terrorist financial support network, that the Russians were begging the Clinton administration to shut down allowed to operate inside the USA until after 9/11?

35 posted on 09/23/2002 1:09:23 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Havisham; Marysecretary; swarthyguy; boomop1; *balkans; vooch; marron; OldFriend; ...
Regarding the points I and marron made, please read my post:

Bush shuts down terrorist financial support network in U.S. that Clinton knew existed and ignored

Why was this terrorist financial support network, that the Russians were begging the Clinton administration to shut down allowed to operate inside the USA until after 9/11?

36 posted on 09/23/2002 1:10:06 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Betty Jo
That press conference of Condi's was a fiasco. I wonder why the press corps did not grill her; they gave her a complete pass on all her misleading statements about not having a clue when numerous intel sources provided info about terror attacks using airlines.

The more i read about the intel snafus, the harder it is to overlook the sheer asleep at the wheel attitude of all except the field agents.


37 posted on 09/23/2002 1:10:24 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Is this the guy who spoke behind the screen at the recent hearings?
38 posted on 09/23/2002 1:11:05 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Destro
Simple. Saudi money and influence. A willingness on our part to use jihadis as a proxy army for our own purposes.
39 posted on 09/23/2002 1:13:29 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Destro
If I recall correctly, one of the islamic foundations shut down by President Bush had Vernon Jordan for it's attorney.....which would explain a lot of things.
40 posted on 09/23/2002 1:32:40 PM PDT by OldFriend
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