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Despite equality, women today still prefer gentlemen
The UK Telegraph ^ | 9-20-02 | By Sarah Womack Social Affairs Correspondent

Posted on 09/19/2002 5:26:17 PM PDT by vannrox

Despite equality, women today still prefer gentlemen




Working out the difference between chivalry and sexism may be a minefield for men, but most women would prefer them to be more gallant, a survey has found.

While acknowledging that the sexual revolution is partly to blame for the destruction of the old- fashioned gentleman, half of women say men have little concept of social etiquette, politeness or courtesy.

They accuse men of behaving like gentlemen only when it suits them, although that view is held by seven out of 10 men themselves. One in 50 men say gentlemanly behaviour is for "snobs and wimps".

Dr David Lewis, a psychologist, said men who were successful in business and sport were still regarded highly by women. But chivalry and social graces, such as pulling out chairs, carrying the shopping, complimenting a woman on her appearance and opening doors, were often more important than money.

Dr Lewis, author of Loving and Loathing: The Enigma of Personal Attraction, said: "Because more male than female babies are being born, society is becoming increasingly unbalanced.

"This means competition between men for a partner will become fiercer, with men having to work harder to find and sustain a relationship. The British gentleman is on the verge of a renaissance."

The average male could still be forgiven, however, for being confused. Even the issue of wolf-whistling from builders is not clear cut. Women have become accustomed to ignoring ribald commentary and builders are now threatened with the sack if they flirt with passers-by. But many women would prefer the attention and "male honesty".

According to the poll of 800 adults for Glenlivet, the whisky brand, which is opening a male finishing school, it also depends on where a woman lives as to how she defines chivalry.

Women in Somerset and Herefordshire are most likely to complain about the dearth of gallantry, whereas women in London and the South East are least likely to consider it a problem. Overall, one in seven women think gentlemen are quiet, modest and "never brash".

Both sexes thought the death knell for gentlemanly behaviour was sounded during the Sixties. Optimistically for British males, a third of women thought true gentlemen were found only in the UK.

They scored highest for their capacity for chivalry, followed by Japanese men and Italians. American, Australian and German men scored lowest.

Tony Blair is regarded as the most gentlemanly politician. John Prescott came bottom.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: change; gender; men; polite; rights; unusual; women
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To: nightdriver
Someone's head is sadly disconnected. Complimenting a woman, especially in America, on her appearance, can get you fired and hauled into court on sexual harassment charges.

Absolutely true. Without going into details, I know of a professional who is getting sued for just that becuase he pulled on a ponytail in what he thought was a friendly manner.

61 posted on 09/19/2002 8:42:44 PM PDT by RepubMommy
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To: vannrox
"Despite equality, women today still prefer gentlemen"
There's something wrong with that statement (Hmmm..thinking).

"I stood Among them, but not of them; in a shroud Of thoughts which were not their thoughts"
.Lord Byron

62 posted on 09/19/2002 8:44:08 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: Conservobabe
,,, from the outset, manners are a good indicator. Beyond that, the survey doesn't deal with anything more in depth than that, from my understanding of this article.
63 posted on 09/19/2002 8:44:19 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Conservobabe
Now, contrast him to Clinton. Shall I?

No, please don't I am going to bed soon and don't need potential nightmares.

64 posted on 09/19/2002 8:45:06 PM PDT by RepubMommy
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To: shaggy eel
from the outset, manners are a good indicator. Beyond that, the survey doesn't deal with anything more in depth than that, from my understanding of this article.

Tis true of the article.

I will just leave you with the advice my grandmother gave to me many years ago of finding a good man ie gentleman.

You must court him through four seasons. You must observe how he treats his mother and copes with a flat tire in the rain. LOL

65 posted on 09/19/2002 8:57:53 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Conservobabe
,,, my Mum died when I was 14. I change a tyre a lot quicker in the rain so I don't have to draw on my extended vocabulary. I hope I'm living up to my wife's expectations - she's worth it.
66 posted on 09/19/2002 9:03:07 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
I'm sure you are, since she must be a lady, and chose you.
67 posted on 09/19/2002 9:06:29 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Verginius Rufus
A good cinematic example of a gentleman deliberately insulting someone......another is from an old film I saw long ago which has a scene at a social gathering when one insistent man continues to badger another for information which the second doesn't want to discuss; after trying to put his abrasive companion off politely for several minutes, the second finally confronts him by saying "sorry, you force me to be rude..." and proceeding to tell him how offensive his behavior is. Can't remember the name of the movie or even who the actors were, but I'll never forget the line - seems like the perfect way to begin the putdown of anyone whose boorish, irritating behavior has finally gone too far......
68 posted on 09/19/2002 9:08:13 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Conservobabe
,,, thank you.
69 posted on 09/19/2002 9:10:09 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Thornwell Simons
Yes, but you're a dying breed. Unfortunately, a majority of people today -- male and female -- are so ill-raised that they generally misinterpret politeness for weakness.

I certainly hope you are wrong about this....For what it's worth, I myself wouldn't even SPEAK to a man who wasn't polite and gentlemanly, and my husband and I are raising our boys to be the same way. If a girl is stupid enough to misinterpret politeness for weakness...well...then I, for one, wouldn't want her around anyway.

Regards,

70 posted on 09/19/2002 9:10:49 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: Intolerant in NJ
My favorite is Sir Winston Churchill's reply to a woman seated next to him at a dinner party. She said "sir, you are drunk". He said "I may be drunk, Miss, but tomorrow I will be sober, but you will still be ugly".
71 posted on 09/19/2002 9:15:12 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: vannrox
Working out the difference between chivalry and sexism may be a minefield for men,...

Chivalry is rooted in the desire to serve; sexism in the desire to be serviced. C'est tout.

Once that distinction is grasped, it all comes down to the man's will and ability to be honest to himself about his motives.

72 posted on 09/19/2002 10:08:37 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: vannrox
The British gentleman is on the verge of a renaissance."

If that is true, then so is the British dental industry.

73 posted on 09/20/2002 1:18:41 AM PDT by uglybiker
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To: alpowolf
I agree, to a large extent.

The problem comes when "gentlemanly" behavior becomes the dominant trait in a man. The result is, to put it bluntly, a less-than-masculine male. So there is no wonder why women would find a less-than-masculine male unappealing.

For me, and it took quite a while, it became clear that gentlemanly traits are both proper and appealing to women, so long that it does not completely define the man. Creating a balance where one is gentlemanly when appropriate, more dominant and assured when appropriate, and more colloquially "macho" when appropriate, is a great formula for being appealing to women. It also assures that a smart man will not be taken advantage of (for example. being a mover, bank, personal chauffer, etc.).

As the lovely "older woman" in my life taught me years ago (ah, I'm getting misty eyed here!), a woman wants a gentleman to hold the door for her, and a gentleman to pour the wine for her, but when she grants the 'green light,' she doesn't want a gentleman to make witty conversation, twiddling his thumbs, or lacking the confidence to romance her in, lets say, her desired and more base ways.

This is her avice, not mine!!! But I endorse it!

So be a gentleman, I think. But don't be a doormat. And when the lady wants you to cross homeplate, don't be a 'gentleman' standing before her and keep on insisting 'please, after you....."

Just cross home plate, Einstein. You will both be glad you did.

Again, as a disclaimer, be sure she want's you to cross home plate. Leave no room for misunderstanding. Always respect a woman's decisions.

74 posted on 09/20/2002 1:47:48 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: martin_fierro
He has a few children. I dare say that contradicts the idea that he's a poofter.

Regards, Ivan

75 posted on 09/20/2002 2:23:42 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: HitmanNY
Just cross home plate, Einstein. You will both be glad you did.

I hate it when you're heading for home and she decides to change the game to football where she's Lucy and you're Charlie Brown.

76 posted on 09/20/2002 2:39:21 AM PDT by uglybiker
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To: Conservobabe
This lost art of holding the door for ladies is one of the things I'm REALLY stressing to my young sons.Your point " that the gentleman knows who he is" is hard for a 10 and 13 year old to understand, but is vital. I try to teach the m that the woman should be able to pass through the door without thought or effort, as if you are invisible. Then if they treat you as invisible, you know the score on that one.Treat the moment as second nature, Steve Mcqueen or Sean Connery comes to mind.We flub this art sometimes and I've asked some of the ladies if they would mind trying again for practice.I try to ask an equal amount of nice old ladies (who are usually delighted) and stunning young women ( who are sometimes confused but I'm delighted).I'm trying to get them to see all women as equally deserving of respect.Don't ignore the old and don't fear the pretty.Its a lost art, along with long ski's, stickshifts and DOS.
77 posted on 09/20/2002 2:58:36 AM PDT by singletrack
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To: uglybiker
Pally, baseball is my game! I understand what you are saying and have been there myself - I never cared for football much, myself! :-)
78 posted on 09/20/2002 3:10:21 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Intolerant in NJ
A good cinematic example of a gentleman deliberately insulting someone......another is from an old film I saw long ago which has a scene at a social gathering when one insistent man continues to badger another for information which the second doesn't want to discuss

I think I saw that movie, another Brit product. Recalling that skit: "You and your wife, eh? Say no more, say no more, wink-wink, nudge-nudge, eh? Say no more, say no more..."

And recalling an appropriate Churchillism: "These are the things up with which, we will not put!"

79 posted on 09/20/2002 12:53:23 PM PDT by guitfiddlist
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